Cop says he doesn't have to show me the radar gun?!

[LittleBigToe]

I get a speeding ticket tonight and the cop says he got me on the radar going 76 in a 50 so I say let me see the radar and he says there's no requirement for him to show me. WTF?!?

When he comes back to my car with the ticket I made the request again and he says it's too dangerous for him to allow me to since we are on the highway.

When I passed this cop he was sitting on the shoulder of ?495? about 1/2 way between the lincoln tunnel + the toll booth entering turnpike south. I definately HAD BEEN speeding but I seen him sitting there and slowed down and when I went by him I wasn't speeding so I'm thinking there must've been a cop sitting on an overpass upstream and relaying info to him. Is that legal? Anyone have experience with this + any tips on fighting it? Pm's are welcome thanks.

[kgmdawg84]

its very legal... sad but true...

my buddy is a state trooper and they team up like that all the time... all they gotta do is radio the speeder to the other cop and that other cop can pull you over and give you a ticket.

in fact, i remember a while back on rt 80, there was a cop sitting on the side of the road shooting radar, and another cop about a 1/4 mile down the road OUT OF HIS CAR STOPPING CARS AND HAVING THEM PULL OVER FOR SPEEDING... as i drove by, there were 4 cars on the side of the road getting tickets (all together there was about 4 cops working on that crack down that day) one shooting radar, one stopping the cars as the other cop tells them which ones to stop, and 2 other cops writing tickets... crazy shit i tell ya

[antlip]

its a speed trap. i seen before down south that they would have a cop on the side of the road with the radar gun clocking people. then further down the road have more cops waving you down. kinda like a road block. thats where you would get your ticket. i even heard of this happening in NJ

[Greg97GSX]

Definitely got screwed... on Rt 78 out by me, they are trying a new method of shooting radar as well. Anybody who travels this, listen up!!!

They have those infamous "spots" where everybody knows a cop may be sitting (in the median). Now what they are doing is having a state trooper park his car on an overpass (yes, above the road) and shoot his radar gun down at people. He then radios ahead to a statie who will intercept you and issue you the ticket. They are definitely cracking down!!!

[rotorocker]

just to maybe help you out, check the calibration date of the radar gun.

[gtluke]

actually i think speed traps are illegal. the cop that wrote you a ticket didn't witness you speeding, so when you go to courte and the officer shows up, he can't testify of what you were doing.
go to court and fight it.

[atc250r]

Yeah, they got me like that in Sloatsburg, NY. The speed limit goes from 45 to 35 and it was the AM rush so there were hundreds of people on the road going EXACTLY the same speed as me but I won the unlucky lottery that day and got written for 51 in a 35. The cop told me that another officer in an unmarked car had clocked me and I know better than to try to argue it on the side of the road because you will NEVER win there. Apparently its just a money making scheme because he straight up told me on the side of the road that if I fought it he would have it reduced to a no points type ticket. What they do around here is drop it to something like littering because if they hit you with a speeding ticket the town only gets a small percentage of the money. If they find you guilty of littering then they get to keep all the money! I was more pissed that I have to take time out of my life to go and pay this BS ticket. I wasn't even in my GVR4 at the time, I was in my pickup truck which is usually invisible to the cops. Good luck in your fight.

John

[steveVR4]

I can send you a PDF of the 'Pay No Fine' book. It may not help you now (after the fact) but its a good read.

[kgmdawg84]

actually i think speed traps are illegal. the cop that wrote you a ticket didn't witness you speeding, so when you go to courte and the officer shows up, he can't testify of what you were doing.
go to court and fight it.

nope... the cop that shot the radar just shows up at court too... it is perfectly legal... but ill find out more today... imma call my buddy whos a state trooper

[steveVR4]

my buddy whos a state trooper

Why didn't you have a pba card?

[iboostdoyou]

its a speed trap. i seen before down south that they would have a cop on the side of the road with the radar gun clocking people. then further down the road have more cops waving you down. kinda like a road block. thats where you would get your ticket. i even heard of this happening in NJ

So many misused words not just in that statement but also in this whole thread. A roadblock is defined as: Barricades for stopping vehicles so officers can question their occupants. The only roadblocks that are illegal are checkpoints for drunk drivers. The Michigan v. Sitz case established that an officer cannot flag a drunk by simply looking at the car, and is considered an invasion of privacy and an unlawful "seizure" of the driver and their vehicle for unreasonable and unjustifiable cause. This was outlawed after they tried this in Michigan and only turned up a 5% sucess rate of nabbing drunk drivers, and wasted 6 officers and like 20 hours of log time each. The costs greatly outweighed the arrest of like 3 drunk drivers in that week and the program was disbanded.

Speed trap's as most people like to refer to it, is one of those common myths. They are only outlawed in California, and only when aircraft is used. Most people think that this law applies to the "cop in the bush" type scenario when in fact it is very legal to do so. The only type of "speed trap" that is NOT legal in New Jersey is the drastic lowering of a speed limit for an unjustified reason and systematically placing an officer there. An example would be lowering the speed limit on route 80 from 65mph to 45mph for a 1/4mile stretch and having an officer in that zone giving frequent tickets for speeding.

Unless you were a victim of lowered speed limit for no reason trick, "you're" :oops: SOL.

[rotorocker]

You mean "you're" SOL. :D

[TurboMike]

Roadblocks looking for drunk drivers are illegal? I get pulled into those all the time. They had one just 3 year ago where the entire lower level of the GW Bridge was blocked and cars "randomly" questioned. I had a cop stick his fat monkey neck into my car window and say "hey thats a nice radar detector can I look at it" just so he could smell my breath.

[quasimondo]

Definitely got screwed... on Rt 78 out by me, they are trying a new method of shooting radar as well. Anybody who travels this, listen up!!!

They have those infamous "spots" where everybody knows a cop may be sitting (in the median). Now what they are doing is having a state trooper park his car on an overpass (yes, above the road) and shoot his radar gun down at people. He then radios ahead to a statie who will intercept you and issue you the ticket. They are definitely cracking down!!!

They were doing the same thing down along Rt 1 in North Brunswick last summer. They got me doing 70 in a 55 in one of their 'safety zones' so that automatically doubled the fine. It didn't help that the company car that I was in had an expired insurance certificate, and the company didn't even bother to help me out since it's their responsibilty to keep the insurance up to date.

Take it to court, if the prosecutor is a good mood, they'll let you plead guilty, pay a huge fine, but get no points. BTW, thanks to former Gov. McGreevey, getting away with no points incurs an automatic $275 surcharge to go along with the fines and court fees.

[gtluke]

some treasurer had his dick in their mouth and was like "hey mr gay fag, how about an extra $275 for ever ticket!"

[rotorocker]

You're not talking about the "unsafe driving" charge are you? Thats $250 and the 2nd time you use it its $250+$250.

[Greg97GSX]

You're not talking about the "unsafe driving" charge are you? Thats $250 and the 2nd time you use it its $250+$250.

Not in NJ bro... I got the "unsafe operation of a motor vehicle" from the accident with my TL. This ticket is a no point but hefty fine ticket, $416 to be exact. Also, you can get 3 over the course of 5 years before you are screwed forever, meaning all the points from careless driving will be reinstated for the past 3 offenses.

[rotorocker]

Ive used both of mine. as of last summer it was $250 for each you had in your history. This is in New Jersey. I guess it couldve went up but I can't believe by that much. I remember the first time I used it was like 3 or 4 years ago and it was a hundred something. Maybe its different from "unsafe driver". I got that from a 4 point speeding ticket.

[gtluke]

i have SEVEN of the "unsafe driving" things. they were previously called "failure to observe signs signals and directions"

[LittleBigToe]

Thanks for the feedback guys.




actually i think speed traps are illegal. the cop that wrote you a ticket didn't witness you speeding, so when you go to courte and the officer shows up, he can't testify of what you were doing.
go to court and fight it.

nope... the cop that shot the radar just shows up at court too... it is perfectly legal... but ill find out more today... imma call my buddy whos a state trooper

Let me know what your buddy says.

Would've a PBA card gotten me out of this?

Like I mentioned the cop says he wasn't willing to show me the radar because we were on the highway which was comlete BS because he had no radar on me.

Anyhow I have to come up with a good defense but even then a lot of municipal court judges have already found you guilty before they even hear from you. I guess they figure if you don't like their ruling you can appeal it but good luck with paying the $200+ in appeals fees and trying to figure out how to go about it.

I can plea to 'careless driving' + pay the fine, court costs, + $250 nj state surcharge but that's $350 minimum :mad:

[Greg97GSX]

Ive used both of mine. as of last summer it was $250 for each you had in your history. This is in New Jersey. I guess it couldve went up but I can't believe by that much. I remember the first time I used it was like 3 or 4 years ago and it was a hundred something. Maybe its different from "unsafe driver". I got that from a 4 point speeding ticket.

It could be different or maybe my case was just "special" because there was an accident involved? Either way, paying that much sucked ass :evil:

[rotorocker]

yeah mine had no accidents whatsoever. It was a speeding ticket that got reduced to that. But I wouldnt put it past NJ that they raised it somewhat.

[antlip]

actually i think speed traps are illegal. the cop that wrote you a ticket didn't witness you speeding, so when you go to courte and the officer shows up, he can't testify of what you were doing.
go to court and fight it.

im not sure if they are legal or not. but my buddy got caught in one with 3 other cars here in burlington county. all were written tickets, and he went to court and it stood.

[VR4NNJ91]

its very legal... sad but true

in fact, i remember a while back on rt 80, there was a cop sitting on the side of the road shooting radar, and another cop about a 1/4 mile down the road OUT OF HIS CAR STOPPING CARS AND HAVING THEM PULL OVER FOR SPEEDING... as i drove by, there were 4 cars on the side of the road getting tickets (all together there was about 4 cops working on that crack down that day) one shooting radar, one stopping the cars as the other cop tells them which ones to stop, and 2 other cops writing tickets... crazy shit i tell ya
Wow

[AWD 4TW]

Stock 5.0 = fast lol.

[TuRBoTaLooN95]

some treasurer had his dick in their mouth and was like "hey mr gay fag, how about an extra $275 for ever ticket!"

hahaha.

yea...when I got my ticket from the accident with pika, I paid a hefty $450 to get no points. That is #2 in the last 2 years for me....so I better not get any more in the next 3 years!

[iboostdoyou]

actually i think speed traps are illegal. the cop that wrote you a ticket didn't witness you speeding, so when you go to courte and the officer shows up, he can't testify of what you were doing.
go to court and fight it.

im not sure if they are legal or not. but my buddy got caught in one with 3 other cars here in burlington county. all were written tickets, and he went to court and it stood.

are you really serious? Did you miss my entire post?

Speed trap's as most people like to refer to it, is one of those common myths. They are only outlawed in California, and only when aircraft is used. Most people think that this law applies to the "cop in the bush" type scenario when in fact it is very legal to do so. The only type of "speed trap" that is NOT legal in New Jersey is the drastic lowering of a speed limit for an unjustified reason and systematically placing an officer there. An example would be lowering the speed limit on route 80 from 65mph to 45mph for a 1/4mile stretch and having an officer in that zone giving frequent tickets for speeding.

[steveVR4]

You're not talking about the "unsafe driving" charge are you? Thats $250 and the 2nd time you use it its $250+$250.

Not in NJ bro... I got the "unsafe operation of a motor vehicle" from the accident with my TL. This ticket is a no point but hefty fine ticket, $416 to be exact.

I think you're right about the $416. I sat in court and watched them give out about 10 of those before I went back to the prosecutor and asked if I could take 2 points instead. I was like :roll: , but thats a lot of money. The 2 points didn't do anything to my insurance (I checked first).

[JessGST]

Ive used both of mine. as of last summer it was $250 for each you had in your history. This is in New Jersey. I guess it couldve went up but I can't believe by that much. I remember the first time I used it was like 3 or 4 years ago and it was a hundred something. Maybe its different from "unsafe driver". I got that from a 4 point speeding ticket.

It could be different or maybe my case was just "special" because there was an accident involved? Either way, paying that much sucked ass :evil:

You paid that much because you paid the $250 surcharge + the amount of the unsafe driving ticket + court fees. All together it comes out to over $400, depending on the court.

The worst part is insurance companies have caught onto the whole "unsafe driving" thing. Not only do you have to pay the $400+ to have the ticket dropped, but your insurance is still going to go up for it. I paid over $400 for have a 61 in a 50 dropped to an unsafe driving and my insurance went up a couple hundred dollars because of it. It's not worth having it dropped to that anymore unless you like wasting money.

[Greg97GSX]

^^ Well, I guess it varies from different insurance companies... my insurance never went up, as a matter of fact, it went down since the accident last june.... weird.

[VR4NNJ91]

Ive used both of mine. as of last summer it was $250 for each you had in your history. This is in New Jersey. I guess it couldve went up but I can't believe by that much. I remember the first time I used it was like 3 or 4 years ago and it was a hundred something. Maybe its different from "unsafe driver". I got that from a 4 point speeding ticket.

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You paid that much because you paid the $250 surcharge + the amount of the unsafe driving ticket + court fees. All together it comes out to over $400, depending on the court.

The worst part is insurance companies have caught onto the whole "unsafe driving" thing. Not only do you have to pay the $400+ to have the ticket dropped, but your insurance is still going to go up for it. I paid over $400 for have a 61 in a 50 dropped to an unsafe driving and my insurance went up a couple hundred dollars because of it. .

Jess are you sure about that?

[twizzle]

heh, it could be true. my insurance company (AIG) has bumped up my rate from 2000$ to 4000$ (still under dad's name), with these tickets: (1)Unsafe Driving (1)64 in a 50
total points on license = 4.


thats it, yep, two tickets, fuck aig auto, fuck em again, and again, and again. even if they counted the unsafe driving three times, and speeding 5 times, it still doesn't make sense.

[gvr4737]

my insurance went up $200 for my unsafe driving ticket...

and now it will go up again once i get this next one..

[CHRIS]

You're not talking about the "unsafe driving" charge are you? Thats $250 and the 2nd time you use it its $250+$250.

Not in NJ bro... I got the "unsafe operation of a motor vehicle" from the accident with my TL. This ticket is a no point but hefty fine ticket, $416 to be exact. Also, you can get 3 over the course of 5 years before you are screwed forever, meaning all the points from careless driving will be reinstated for the past 3 offenses.


to clear up any confusion, greg is completely correct right here. i've been down this road 4 times in the last 3 years; currently battling my 4th.

[steveVR4]

NJ Cure pwns. I got a 2 point ticket and it didn't affect my insurance, plus I got a quote from esurance and NJ Cure is still cheaper. Same exact coverage.

[rotorocker]

I have high point (previously prudential). I can get as many of those unsafe driver tickets as i want. When i hit 6 point on my license is when it goes up for me.

[redfury]

I know on the parkway South, going towards exit 58 there is a overpass right next to the troopers barracks, at 7am I have seen a trooper on the overpass shooting people with his radar, while radioing ahead to two parked unmarked troopers who then pulls them over.

Anyway they can squeeze a buck out of a person, Troopers will usually find a way.