moussaouio trial

[Big Block DSM]

http://www.rcfp.org/moussaoui/ look at the pics

[CHRIS]

what about 'em?

[Utah Joe]

Well how about that....airplane and human body parts found at the pentagon site. How did the airplane parts get there? I thought Dane Cook shot a laser out of his cock and put a hole in the pentagon or whatever other retarded black helicopter theory is out there.

[otofmyway6]

i just wish i could understand 2 obvious things. i mean im sure theres a logical explanation for these 2 things, but no ones pointed them out to me. The hole in teh pentagon...looks like hte plane was flying parallel to the ground? like 3 feet off the ground? ok, assuming it was, why is there NO sign of wings or rudder? like...it should have made a plane shaped hole. not a rocket shaped hole. seems easier to put some unidentifiable dead bodies there along with a few plane scraps then to explain this?

[iboostdoyou]

i just wish i could understand 2 obvious things. i mean im sure theres a logical explanation for these 2 things, but no ones pointed them out to me. The hole in teh pentagon...looks like hte plane was flying parallel to the ground? like 3 feet off the ground? ok, assuming it was, why is there NO sign of wings or rudder? like...it should have made a plane shaped hole. not a rocket shaped hole. seems easier to put some unidentifiable dead bodies there along with a few plane scraps then to explain this?

Well for one is this the picture your referring to??
http://www.rcfp.org/moussaoui/jpg/size600/P200032-1.jpg

If it is, then your looking at the back half of the damage. The material outside the building was shot from inside the building, pointing to an explosion forcing the material out of that hole, where as if a plane/missile were to have entered there, it is very likely that the matter would have blown away from the hole to the other side of the building rather then against the flow of the explosion. This hole was most likely made either by the nose of the plane exiting the building, or the force of the explosion was channeled locally and blew a hole in the way, could be a combo of both, but that's what it looks like to me.

Here is a shot of the damage were the plane hit, you can tell it is not as round as the previous picture and such a V shape could very likely have been created by an airplane.
http://www.rcfp.org/moussaoui/jpg/size600/P200025-1.jpg

[otofmyway6]

http://www.rcfp.org/moussaoui/jpg/size600/P200038-1.jpg

THat huge V i think your looking at is mostly black smoke. Here is what the damage looks like from the outside. If the plane did this damage, its likely it went through low on the left, took out supports, and the rest caved in. However, notice still the lack of any damage outside of the immediate area particularly on the left, where a wing would have hit the structure and at least taken out a few bricks or something. Also, lets say the plane did come out the other side with the nose poking through...at that point it must have been moving slow. If the nose hit those bricks fast, i'd assume the vibrations would have shaken the bricks above loose, particularly since concrete which holds together the bricks is especially poor in tensile and shear stress. Similar idea as to why a .50cal round going through a brick wall will make a hole many times the size of the round itself. Also from teh picture above, judging from the size of the brooms nearby, the hole is relatively small meaning teh nose just barely poked through. So assuming the nose came through nice and slow whered the plane go? did it just burn to nothingness? did the perhaps extremely hot flames from the fuel (which is held in the wings and nowhere near the nose) somehow disintegrate the basic skeleton of the airframe while leaving the panels intact but on the floor? i dont know, it just doesnt seem natural to me. [/url]

[Utah Joe]

You are competly missing the two most important facts. Airplane parts were in fact found at the site and as were the passengers on the flight. How did the passengers gets there? Were they all strapped onto this missle that someone shot at the pentagon? hahahahahaha

[95RedRS]

Looking at the pictures...i only saw ONE suppossed "airplane" part

and who's to say the bodies werent ppl who worked In the pentagon?

[Utah Joe]

Looking at the pictures...i only saw ONE suppossed "airplane" part

and who's to say the bodies werent ppl who worked In the pentagon?

FACTS!!!!


Size of 757 matches the initial size of hole in the building - somewhere between 13 and 16 feet (757 is 13 feet wide/high)

Rims found in building match those of a 757

Small turbine engine outside is an APU

Same engine has been clearly stated to not match a Global Hawk engine

Blue seats from 757 laying on ground in photos

Part of "American" fuselage logo visible in more than 1 photo

Engine parts photographed inside match a Rolls-Royce RB211

Structural components photographed in wreckage match Boeing paint primer schemes

Large deisel generator in front of building hit by a large heavy object

Large deisel engine outside is spun towards the building - could not be result of bomb blast or missile explosion

Multiple eye witnesses say they saw an airliner

Multiple eye witnesses say they saw an airliner hit the Pentagon

60+ bodies, matching the passenger list and flight crew roster identified and returned to families from Pentagon wreckage

The last one is all you fucking need to know. BODIES THAT WERE ON THE FLIGHT WERE RECOVERED AT THE PENTAGON SITE!!!!!! How much more obvious does it have to be?

[NJGSX96]

You are all sheeple.

[Greg97GSX]

Got this in an email from a friend of mine today... he's thought the government has had something to do w/ these attacks since day one. I remain "open" to whatever evidence has to show, but you can check this out. Looks familiar to me after watching it...


Thermite Identified As Culprit Of WTC Collapse...
Please read this and feel free to pass this along to others. I had a huge paragraph typed up, but decided in the end to let the evidence speak for itself. Pass this along to others and aid in exposing the lies of the neo-con agenda! Watch the video of how a thermite reaction occurs. Then watch the amatuer video of the south tower right before it collapses. See something that looks farmiliar?!?

http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11 ... llapse.htm (http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/thermite_id_culprit_wtc_collapse.htm)



http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... net%2B9/11 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2991254740145858863&q=cameraplanet%2B9/11)

[CollegeDropout]

good videos greg, i think something looks familiar too

and about the pentagon...they said the fire in there wasnt hot enough to melt titanium and both of the engines on the airliner were made up mostly of titanium...where'd it all go? they also say that the place bounced off the lawn first yet the grass lays untouched, i think if a plane were to smack into the ground it might kick up some dirt. and the government took all the videos from surrounding stores, etc.., they only one they released was the one from behind the building from a gas station, and even that video shows no airplane in the air before the crash......and about the WTC, if anyone denys that bombs went off after the planes hit then theyre just dumb.

here's the best video on 9/11 ever made, its an hour and 20 minutes long so get comfy, http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... ge&pl=true (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848&q=loose+change&pl=true)

[twizzle]

they did it for the paper, paper, paper, paper... you'd be suprised at how much money they actually made off this whole WTC stunt. if you really think the government had no control over this, you are blind. science > politicians. of course, none of this matters, were all going to be dead by 12/21/12 anyway... (now that shit is scary....the whole mayan calender thing is nuts)

[iboostdoyou]

you guys are just fuckin retards. Joe please tell me why they did it for the money? To spend millions in a clean up effort, to spend more millions compensating the victims of the tragedy, more money fighting a war as a result, and more money to beef up security in the area and the nation to prevent further attacks. Chris you say there were bombs exploding after the plane hit... ever think maybe fuel leaked out of the plane and combusted?!? That might be a slight possibility. Show me ANY motive behind knocking down 2 symbols of american freedom in the middle of the largest city in the world and I might think about believing it. And dont tell me motivation to start a war with afghanistan/Iraq, they could have done that whole escapade without knocking down the towers. Seriously though, you guys lack so much faith in the country you live in it scares me...

[CollegeDropout]

"a 757 has 2 pratt and whitney engines made of steel and titanium alloy, which are 9 feet in diameter, 12 feet long, and weigh 6 tons each. titanium has a melting point of 1688 degrees celcius.....jet fuel aka karosene is a hydrocarbon, which can retain a constant temperature of 1120 degrees celcius after 40 minutes but only if the fuel is maintained, the fuel would have burned off immediately upon impact, therefor it is scientifically impossible that 12 tons of steel and titanium was vaporized by karosene, likewise the 2 engines should have been found reletively intact at the pentagon"

^thats from the video of the link in my last post that none of you lazys are gonna watch

[Utah Joe]

ok so can any of you fucking speds tell me how bodies of 60+ people who took off on that flight were recovered at the pentagon? These people were returned to their familes and their remains were identified. The cia cannot even keep the fact that there are secret prisions in europe a secret. Do you people actually belive that hundreds of fire fighters, civilians, and family members would lie about what they saw to protect GWB? hahahahahaha, that is the most retarded thing I have ever heard. CIA agents and employees who are sworn to never say anything to anyone leak things to the press all the time. In case you dont watch the news, one was just arrested for it.

Dropout, this is a 757, not an sr-71 black bird. It is made almost entirely of aluminum. The engine components are titanium, and bam-o they were found at the site.

futhermore a 757 holds just shy of 12,000 gallons of fuel, that is the equevelant of 1.5 semi-tanker trucks fully loaded. Moving at 500mph, what exactly is supposed to happen when hits a building? not explode? make a little flash?

I can totally understand people not trusting the government, but jesus, dont make a fool of yourself doing it.

[Utah Joe]

"a 757 has 2 pratt and whitney engines made of steel and titanium alloy, which are 9 feet in diameter, 12 feet long, and weigh 6 tons each. titanium has a melting point of 1688 degrees celcius.....jet fuel aka karosene is a hydrocarbon, which can retain a constant temperature of 1120 degrees celcius after 40 minutes but only if the fuel is maintained, the fuel would have burned off immediately upon impact, therefor it is scientifically impossible that 12 tons of steel and titanium was vaporized by karosene, likewise the 2 engines should have been found reletively intact at the pentagon"

^thats from the video of the link in my last post that none of you lazys are gonna watch

Burned off instantly? hahahahaha. I am sure everyone remembers the fuel fire that was on the long island sound for hours after flight 800 crashed into it. And that was water for christ sakes.[/b]

[NJGSX96]

Seriously though, you guys lack so much faith in the country you live in it scares me...

This is the statement you all need to remember in this thread. Even scarier is how many people blindly accept what is shown to them, without question.

Now I am not totally into the whole conspiracy theory, but if you think this whole situation was cut and dry, no questions asked, picture perfect provable, with no lose strings at all, you need to open your eyes.

[twizzle]

hey, kyle, if you want, i'll find the numbers when i get home. i know the pentagon was hit by a plane, shit, my dads friend was near there on business when it happened, i also know the flight numbers were fucked up or something. be that as it may, i dont care. im not leaning one way or another, ill just get the figures up in a little bit. they DID make money, i just forgot how. a few of my professors might know, theyre into this shit more than i am.

[Utah Joe]

Seriously though, you guys lack so much faith in the country you live in it scares me...

This is the statement you all need to remember in this thread. Even scarier is how many people blindly accept what is shown to them, without question.

Now I am not totally into the whole conspiracy theory, but if you think this whole situation was cut and dry, no questions asked, picture perfect provable, with no lose strings at all, you need to open your eyes.

well in the case of the plane actually hitting the pentagon, I think it is as simple as it gets. Now if you want to talk about who did it, why, who knew what 15 seconds before it hit, etc.... then I agree that things can get complicated. But I for one reject many conspiracy theories because I have very serious doubts about how skillfull the government is at coverups. Case in point, "deep throat" is being interviewed by larry king tonight about watergate. Here was someone breaking into a hotel room and taking some document reguarding the democratic parties campaign strategy. I mean compaired to sept 11th, its seems pretty petty. Yet everyone talked and nixon was a goner. Seems like this would be MUCH more simple to cover up. Bill clinton almost lost his job because a 21 year intern blabed about giving him a hummer. One might think that a government that could put together 911, could cover up something like that. Another case in point, the USS Forrestal. It was a navy carrier that was nearly destroyed by an missle that mis-fired from a fighter plane on deck. The ship burned for days. Why didn't the navy just say that a vietnamese plane fired the missle? Now I am not saying that the government does not do low down and scummy things, but I think the people willing to go along with cover ups are few and far between. Former cia agents are on tv all the time discussing what one would think would be some of the most secret thing the government does.

And as far as wars making money......there has never been a war in human history that someone somewhere did not benefit from. Its as evident as the fact that during the war, someone is going to get killed. meterials, weaponry, personal, etc... all cost money and have to be bought and paid for weather for one way or another. Army soldgers get paid and even if they worked for free they still need food that has to be bought somewhere along the line. So if china pulls up to cali tomorrow and unloads 10 million troops, someone in the united states is going to be making a profit off of the invasion.

[iboostdoyou]

And as far as wars making money......there has never been a war in human history that someone somewhere did not benefit from. Its as evident as the fact that during the war, someone is going to get killed. meterials, weaponry, personal, etc... all cost money and have to be bought and paid for weather for one way or another. Army soldgers get paid and even if they worked for free they still need food that has to be bought somewhere along the line. So if china pulls up to cali tomorrow and unloads 10 million troops, someone in the united states is going to be making a profit off of the invasion.

How much does the U.S. even produce anymore? What do we make?!? Baseball bats and some corn... big whoop. The United States is the largest importing country in the world. Our imports GREATLY outnumber our exports. But your absolutely right... someone IS making money along the way, but it certainly is not the government. You can argue the increased economy will bring in more taxes for the government, but it doesnt add up considering each bomb costs so much money. Not including jet fuel, destroyer fuel, vehicles themselves, bombs, guns, training, ammunition, and the many other costs associated with funding a battle will never accumulate to less than any amount of money the government will make from sparking such a controversy. Now if you were arguing that there are people behind the workings of the government facade that could be pulling some strings in this I wouldnt disagree (buildabergers etc.). But in my mind, there is 0 chance that our own government would A. attack the largest city in its own nation or B. Take time to attack one of their most important government buildings for no reason. They could have blown up the whitehouse itself and people would still say it was a conspiracy. There is no point in really arguing this because people are going to think what they want to believe. But I see it as a complete lack of trust and respect towards the government that keeps you safe day in and day out. If you want to talk government consipiracies and corruption look at totalitarian governments and dictatorships. It is really difficult to pull off such a thing in a democracy.

[Utah Joe]

yes my point was not the the government itself was making the money, but companies are at some level. But I find that irrevelant as for the cause to go to war. Every war is making someone money, wheather it is raytheon, or lockeed martin, etc.... But that happens in every war and there is no possible way that it can avoided. Someone has to build the gun and they are not going to do it for free. Even if winston church had planned with hitler for the nazi's to bomb london does not change the fact that rolls royce got paid to build spitfire engines.

[iboostdoyou]

Utah I agree with you completely. I guess what just triggered me on this is that it just angers me sometimes how people can take living in this country for granted so often. Some people are just never happy, and other times it is just that some people just dont know any different than their little town in northern jersey; making it difficult to compare how easy their life is compared to a good amount of the rest of the world population. But enough of my idealistic ranting. Enjoy the pics!

[otofmyway6]

lol im sorry i see something that doesnt add up to me and ask questions so that things seem right at least in my own head. what a dumb idea. the government obviously doesnt hide anything from us. even aside from that, you guys are peeved just because people ask questions? nobody made any statements saying anything didnt happen. not even those websites..they just contribute evidence towards that hypothesis. believe me, im not from this country, i appreciate it. apart from that, is it wrong to question just because i live in this country? thats kind of closed minded i think.

[rotorocker]

so...all this pages of bullshit aside. Just saw the news and the guy got life in prison rejoicing that america failed. Big block dsm, why didnt you respond to this thread when you started it saying look at the pictures?

[atc250r]

I saw on the news last night that this guy got life in prison and it made me sick! We are sooooo fucked!! If we don't have the balls to execute this guy then we really are a bunch of pussies! He's going to have it better in that prison than he would have if he was living in Iraq or Afghanistan and we'll foot the bill while he laughs at our weakness every day. Hopefully another prisoner will succeed in serving justice where our system failed. That's really the only thing we can hope for at this point :( .

John

[rotorocker]

I don't doubt the possibility of the guards turning a blind eye for a different kind of justice

[steveVR4]

+1. Besides, if we had executed him he would suddenly be "Brother Mousaoui who gave his life for the cause". Fuck that. He's a piece of shit, let him rot in solitary confinement for 40 years, thats a miserable existance and he doesn't get the "glory" of becoming a martyr by the system. But, if a prisoner happens to kill him, hey, shit happens.

[rotorocker]

^ exactly. It would probably just spark even more violence and outcry from his "people".

[Utah Joe]

Like he is not already a marder for terrorist groups. As if giving him life in prison is going to make any terrorist group start liking us all of the sudden for our compassion. Now we will get the interviews of him on CNN, spewing hate, how he is being mistreated in prison, and how his brothers need to continue the fight. Killing him would not have made a lick of difference. They hate us either way. He should have been tried in a military court and shot. Let the terrorist groups get angry and rise up against up, oh wait, they are already doing that. These people will never ever be appeased until we are all dead, end of story. You can show them all of the compassion you want, it wont make a bit difference.

[DrSmile]

The "Military Industrial Complex" used to be under control of Congress, it is no longer fiscally responsible to really anyone. If you want an in depth look at the money making, watch "Why We Fight," it covers these exact issues.

[Utah Joe]

lol im sorry i see something that doesnt add up to me and ask questions so that things seem right at least in my own head. what a dumb idea. the government obviously doesnt hide anything from us. even aside from that, you guys are peeved just because people ask questions? nobody made any statements saying anything didnt happen. not even those websites..they just contribute evidence towards that hypothesis. believe me, im not from this country, i appreciate it. apart from that, is it wrong to question just because i live in this country? thats kind of closed minded i think.

Questioning is fine. But in this case, the questions are completly ignoring facts. This is mindless mistrust of the most obvious things simply b/c black helicopter theories are more exciting. You ask the question of "why were there no aiplane parts found?" Then the awnser of "there were in facts many found all over the place" then it is "well the government said that, it can't possible be the truth" the tons of witnesses come out to tell what they saw... "well the government must have used the jedi mind trick on them" Its comical. Of course the government "tries" to hide things, it always has and it always will. However if you think the government has the power to make up 9-11 and keep thousands of people quiet, your in dreamland. Its not that good at it. It can't even area 51 from having pictures taken of it every day by civilian satilites.

[Utah Joe]

The "Military Industrial Complex" used to be under control of Congress, it is no longer fiscally responsible to really anyone. If you want an in depth look at the money making, watch "Why We Fight," it covers these exact issues.

Rene I totally agree that people make money off of wars. But there is no possible way that a war can be fought without people making money. So the fact that haliburton might have made X ammount of money from our invasion of iraq would have happened even if saddam had launched nukes at us and we invaded for that reason.

[twizzle]

i love it, give a guy the death penalty when he was in jail on 9/11. I'm sure he played a major role while in jail. also, why is he the ONLY one charged for all the terror bullshit? where is everyone else? i'm suprised he was even given a chance to defend himself....

[iboostdoyou]

well Joe, because the rest of them werent hanging out in the States waiting it to get arrested. The rest of the people either died in the plane crashes themselves, or were killed/captured by the military in other countries. He happened to be the only unlucky bastard directly linked to it that was left high and dry in America. I agree that his defense stood 0 to no chance, but hey, does he even deserve it? And finally you cant blame the gov't for this one. He was convicted by a panel of his peers.

[twizzle]

yeh, all i wanna know is...where the hell is OSAMA!?

[iboostdoyou]

yeh, all i wanna know is...where the hell is OSAMA!?

HAHA, now that is a legitimate question. MHO, he's in a little shack somewhere heavily guarded in a random ass country. Although it would be nice to catch the bastard, I dont think it will do much to deter terrorism. Although he a spokesman for the movement and it would be nice to shut him up finally, you can't expect to cut off the head of the movement and the killings magically stop... some other leader will rise. If we come across him then great, if not, oh well

[rotorocker]

any chance of asbestos or nasty shit in those caves he lives in to give him some illness? :lol: