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blcknspo0ln
10-26-2005, 03:21 AM
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthr ... ost1690070 (http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1690070#post1690070)

anyone have any solutions for me?
gtluke
10-26-2005, 09:59 AM
put the tools down and step away from the car.
blcknspo0ln
10-26-2005, 01:28 PM
that was helpful.. what made you say that?
gtluke
10-26-2005, 01:39 PM
because you are going to hurt yourself and or others.
blcknspo0ln
10-26-2005, 01:46 PM
jebus.. if you're going to make comments like that.. be helpful and tell me why
97gsxminus1bolt
10-26-2005, 01:50 PM
I would get the head hot tanked and just put it back together. The heads fine
blcknspo0ln
10-26-2005, 01:53 PM
yea I just reread my post and it doesn't make much sense.

i'm basically just doing a basic t-belt/waterpump install along with ARP's and a new headgasket.

the only thing that is worrying me is how the valves were position. I'm not sure how they're supposed to be sealed when the cam marks are aligned, are they all supposed to be opened/closed/someopen/someclosed?

Either way it's going to the machine shop tomorrow and i'll let them take care of it. Then i'll just reassemble as per factory manual
gtluke
10-26-2005, 03:17 PM
if you want answers, you should ask questions.
and i suggest asking questions before ripping your head off for no reason.
91tsiguy
10-26-2005, 03:19 PM
The valves look fine. 2 intakes and 2 exhaust valves always stick out just a little when you pull a head with everything still bolted on. If you removed the cams, then those valves will be seated like all of the rest of them.
blcknspo0ln
10-26-2005, 03:54 PM
if you want answers, you should ask questions.
and i suggest asking questions before ripping your head off for no reason.

I had every good reason to rip my head off. my waterpump died so i had to pull the timing belt. And since my timing belt was off, I figure why not just go ahead and take the head off to put some ARP's and a new headgasket in.

anyway, my question seems to have been answered, so I'll just go ahead and get my head checked out and i'll put her back together
gtluke
10-26-2005, 04:49 PM
there is no reason for all of that, you more than doubled the time you spent on the water pump. arp's and headgaskets are nice, when you need them.

if you are putting in a 4 layer headgasket, i suggest you ask if you should first, so i can tell you why you shouldn't, or advise you as to what to do to prepare your car for the 4 layer.

don't assume that because everyone on dsmtuners does it means its a good idea. i have a ton of experience and i'm more than happy to answer well formed questions or help direct a build.
blcknspo0ln
10-26-2005, 06:05 PM
no MLS is going into my 7 bolt.. I've done enough research to know that it's not needed.

a composite headgasket is going in with arp's. I'm well aware that it's just "more work" to be done, but I'd rather do it now while everything is off rather than have to do it again.. if I ever make enough power to warrant it.

and I do know that you know your cars, and will be less than hesitant to ask on this board for information. Just because I'm on tuners a lot doesn't mean I believe all of the BS that get's spread on there, lol. and don't worry, I won't get my panties in a bunch like a certain number of individuals on here when I get flamed. :wink:
gtluke
10-26-2005, 06:17 PM
my WHOLE point to this is that why did you take the head off, to replace it with the same exact head gasket?
shane
10-26-2005, 08:12 PM
as long as we are on the subject anyway would someone like to explain exactly what the steps are for a 4 layer head gasket, also the pros and cons? thanks
helite99
10-26-2005, 08:34 PM
as long as we are on the subject anyway would someone like to explain exactly what the steps are for a 4 layer head gasket, also the pros and cons? thanks

yeah i was wondering that myself
gtluke
10-26-2005, 08:48 PM
in short, its not as forgiving. it requires more detail to the head and deck surface. there is no "better" to any part you'll ever find. you will give and take somewhere. you just have to decide if its gains are where you need them, and you can live with its failings.
atc250r
10-26-2005, 10:00 PM
With a MLS you will usually want to have the head and the block decked to make sure they are both 100% flat or you'll get leaks. Also, you are going to lose some compression with it due to the thickness of the gasket. I definitely wouldn't recommend it on a stock piston'ed 6 bolt since your compression will end up around 7.3:1 so you'll lose some spool and make less power and be :cry: . On the upside, you can re-use it a few times.

John
blcknspo0ln
10-26-2005, 10:23 PM
my WHOLE point to this is that why did you take the head off, to replace it with the same exact head gasket?

0 mile headgasket > 108k miles headgasket
atc250r
10-26-2005, 10:33 PM
There's something to be said for "if it ain't broke don't fix it" too.

John
gtluke
10-26-2005, 10:37 PM
yup
there was nothing wrong with that head gasket.
you gained nothing from this
Muggus
10-26-2005, 11:38 PM
Well depending on his boost levels, the arp's should keep the head down correct? So i guess its not a total waste.
gtluke
10-26-2005, 11:40 PM
barely
i mean dsm's don't have particularly bad head gasket issues.
but he's doing all the work now, when he could have ran it the same way for 3 more years before blowing the head gasket from boost.
just do it then.
Muggus
10-26-2005, 11:48 PM
True but blowing the gasket could potentially warp the head right? I guess it really depends on his future plans. Keeping the same boost or cranking it up?
gtluke
10-26-2005, 11:53 PM
unbolting your head can cause warpage.
you really should deck your head if you have it off anyway.

the way the factory puts the head on is much much better than the way you and i would put it on.

they tighten muliple bolts at the same time.
blcknspo0ln
10-27-2005, 12:43 AM
I guess we can talk about this all day long, but bottom line is what's done is done.

just wish me luck when I put everything back together. 8)