Fuel Rail Leak.

[95RedRS]

So I finished up everything on the Talon today topped it off with oil and coolant and went to crank it up...and it turns over but doesnt start...it sounds like it really really wants to but doesnt have that final Umph to get going.

My buddy was keeping an eye out under the hood and found out my O ring on the fiel rail where the Fuel filter line connects was leaking...Could this cause the car to not start? The spark plugs are brand new and the car has spark and everything powers up and all the fuses and relays are intact.

I didnt think it would make the car not start if it was leaking fuel from there but I also dont know everything to know about DSM's.

Can a brother get some input!?

Thanks.

P.s. any other suggestions would be appreciated.

[wobbleyz]

LOL. I just got finish putting my 97 GsT together last night and the same thing happened to me. I went down to pepboys last night and bought new seals for it. Pepboys has a box of seals that has that seal in it. It was the upper seal on the injector that leaked on mine. I suprisingly found the same seal. I replaced it and it was fine. Leaking gas is never good. Especially when its near your coil or pack where the spark is coming from. Clean it up before you try to start it again. The fumes can cause a problem. It can definetly cause the car to not start. If you dont have fuel it wont start.

[JessGST]

Leaking fuel wouldn't cause the car not to start, unless it's a really bad leak or you leaked all of the fuel out :P

Are you getting spark and fuel to all four cylinders? Try turning the car over and pulling a different spark plug each time. Then do it again pulling each injector clip out. See if anything changes each time. If you pull one of the clips, and nothing changes then you're probably not getting fuel to that cylinder.

[95RedRS]

Hrmm...I know i'm getting spark but i didnt try the injector clips.

The car threw a coilpack code b 4 it broke...Could be an issue??

[Adriano]

Check to make sure you have spark on all four wires and make sure they are in the right order. I would fix that fuel leak before anything else.

Adriano

[95RedRS]

The wires are getting spark and In the right order. And yeah I def need a little o ring on there but Like I said I didnt think that would cause it to not start the car.

I'm thinking it could be my coilpack as well...But wouldnt I not get spark if my coilpack was fubar'd?

[atc250r]

It could be giving too weak of a spark. Did you happen to mix up the two single wire connectors on the thermostat housing? I did it once and it threw my car for a loop.

John

[95RedRS]

I'm not really sure what you mean by the O2 housing clips...I didn't think there was anything on my O2 housing related to the electrical part of the car??

Yeah after researching some I see that a coilpack can be weak and not start the car...It threw code 44 before it broke I cleared it let it sit and it started up fine and never did it again...But it's most likely my issue (and the fuel leak)

Anyone have a 90 coilpack laying around?

[atc250r]

I'm not really sure what you mean by the O2 housing clips...

I suck. I'm a bit hung over after going to a wedding last night. Anyway, I meant t-stat housing and I edited my message. :oops:

I don't know why it caused such a problem when I switched them but the car didn't want to start, when I finally got it to start it ran like shit.

John

[95RedRS]

Lol...Its quite ok I understand where your coming from.

The coolant Temp sensor??

This is how I have that setup since I snapped my clip.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/Braindamaged0386/DSCF4831.jpg

Below my hand is two Clips connected to the Coolant Temp sensor...is that what your talking about?

[atc250r]

Nope. There should be two sensors on the t-stat housing that each have a single male "blade" coming off of them. Those are the ones I switched. Its possible that a DSM is different than my GVR4 though and those may not be on the housing but I'm 99% sure they are. I believe one is for the gauge and the other is definitely to turn all the fans on high when the coolant temps get too hot. Its kind of like a "holy shit we're overheating" sensor.

John

[95RedRS]

I think if you look again there are two red clips connected to the t stat housing...I have a better picture but I'm at work and can't upload it.

I might have them swirched...I just dunno which wire is suppossed to go where...if I recall its a yellow one and a green one. But I dunno where they are suppossed to go.

[atc250r]

I'm not confused at all. I'm NOT talking about the single sensor in the background of your pic with the two crimped on ends stuck on it. There should be two seperate senders, each with one blade type terminal on it. The terminals look just like the two on the sensor in your pic but only one on each sensor.

John

[95RedRS]

Ok just making sure.

Ill go have a look tomorrow I know I haven't touched anything except the two crimped connections and the AC Relay

I have a new coilpack to try so hopefully it will answer more questions or maybe start the car for me...Thanksfor all the help so far.

[atc250r]

Also check the igniter, when mine went it set a coil pack code but the coil pack was fine.

John

[95RedRS]

Ok swapped coilpacks and replaced the O ring so its no longer leaking fuel.

So now the car is getting spark and has fuel but wont turn over. Where is my ignitor??? Noob question i know but I dunno where it is...Everythign seems to be ok I'm lost as to why its not starting.

Whats the wirign sequence on these motors for the coilpack so I can double check my plug wires to see if there hooked up right.

[atc250r]

So now the car is getting spark and has fuel but wont turn over. Where is my ignitor???

It'll look like this:

http://i12.ebayimg.com/01/i/07/2b/3a/b7_1_b.JPG

I'm pretty sure the 1990 ones are different but someone here will correct me if I'm wrong. The igniter is bolted to the intake manifold just below where the coils are. Do you have any sort of service manual for the car or are you just fumbling around in the dark?

John

[gtluke]

first coil inside, second coil outside.
if it doesn't run right, reverse that.

[atc250r]

If you can get a look at it the cylinder numbers are printed on the coil packs near the wire "towers". Its hard to see in there though and sometimes the numbers are hard to see anyway.

John

[95RedRS]

Ok yeah...The ignitor is screwed into the back of the coilpack...How would I check that its working properly???

No service manual just the help of the DSM community And the search button and What I know about cars.

It seems simple I have fuel and spark but theres something holding it up (that something is probably really retarded)

I havent changed wires So I can still give that a shot...

[atc250r]

The igniter shouldn't be screwed to the back of the coil pack. I think there is a test procedure for the igniter but I keep a spare in the car in case mine craps out on the road. You'll really need to get a service manual if you want to diagnose stuff. I don't mind helping but I can't sit here and type out the entire procedure for you. Did you ever check the two connectors I mentioned in my earlier posts? Check the ECT reading with a logger to see what the ECU thinks the coolant temperature is.

John

[95RedRS]

Its all a matter of getting to a Parts store to get a manual...And I dont expect you to type it all out thats just ridiculous. I do appreciate all the help though.

Totally forgot about the two prongs you mentioned...I'll check that tommorrow. I have a new Coolant Temp sensor I never put it, Would that be something that doesnt allow the car to start??

Ill hook up my logger as well and see what comes up.

[atc250r]

If the coolant temp sensor goes bad it can give the ECU some crazy reading like -50*F or something like that and the car will not start. But, when I got those two single wire connectors crossed it had a similar effect. It doesn't make sense to me to this day but that's what happened.

John