plastic circular plug for head? what is it?

[blcknspo0ln]

So I got my head back from the idiot machinist yesterday. After I bolted it on I decided to look in the box of stuff he gave back to me from my head. It turns out the guy didn't replace OR put my camshaft oil seals back in :roll: and along with that was a black circle plug. I looked all throughout the manual and can't find out where it goes..

anyone have any idea? It's a black circle plug with a brown underside to it.

safe to say i'll be giving him a call tomorrow

[gtluke]

can you be any more vauge about what car you are working on, what gasket set you gave him, why a machinist even has your cams?

[blcknspo0ln]

oh sorry, wrote it up late last night.

it's for my 2g talon, I gave him my head to have the valve seals redone and the head milled. I get it back and it's missing the oil seals ...

I'll take a picture for the plug/seal when I get home from work today.

[gtluke]

you didn't answer any of my questions.

[blcknspo0ln]

I didn't give him a gasket kit, he told me he had everything there with him at the shop.

it's def. not hte valve cover gasket kit, since it's a full circle not a half circle plug..

and yes I answered 2 of your questions already :wink:

[gtluke]

you still didn't explain why he had your cams.

circular plug is for those 2g's that have no CAS and use that for the plug. your car might have a CAS but the plug is always included.

[blcknspo0ln]

he didn't have my cams, he had the entire head apart.

And thanks for the answer, would this plug be inserted onto the assembly right after you remove teh CAS plate?

i.e.,
plate (3 bolts) > plug? > rotating assembly ( i'm guessing for the cam sensor? ) > end of camshaft..

[gtluke]

i'm still not understanding.
if he didn't have your cams, why or how could he replace your camshaft oil seals?

[iboostdoyou]

why a machinist even has your cams?

and then


if he didn't have your cams, why or how could he replace your camshaft oil seals?

seals weren't installed, he just wants to know what the circle is

[helite99]

first post he said his cam seals wherent replaced with a :roll: after it

i think thats why luke thought he had his cams?

[blcknspo0ln]

perhaps I just used the wrong technical term. the seals I was referring to that he left out is a plastic/rubber ring that goes between the camshaft and the cam sprockets.

But yea, I figured out what the plug was. I used glenn's head which is a 96. I was looking at my 97 factory manual, which is why it doesn't mention anything about that circular plug being there where the CAS is. So GTluke was right, it's for the CAS on a 95-96 (from glenn's head) but the machinist just swapped my old CAS on there.

[gtluke]

this is like my 5th post now asking the same question.

HOW DID YOU EXPECT YOUR MACHINEST TO REPLACE YOUR CAM SEALS IF HE DIDN'T HAVE YOUR CAM?

WHY WOULD YOU EXPECT A MACHINIST TO REPLACE YOUR CAMS SEALS ANYWAY?

WHY WOULD YOU GIVE YOUR MACHINIST YOUR CAMS.

jesus fucking christ is reading comprehension a lost art?

[blcknspo0ln]

Since you're so adamant about this, and you can seem to see what i'm trying to say to you, i'll just start from the beginning. I'll try to make it short. keep in mind what i said 2 posts up

perhaps I just used the wrong technical term. the seals I was referring to that he left out is a plastic/rubber ring that goes between the camshaft and the cam sprockets.
I pulled the head for the ARP's, t-belt (blahblah, from the other thread). I then took people's advice and took it to a machinist to have it looked at. He says that there is a crack in one of the (freeze plugs? the one with the hex and are in middle of the head) and is leaking coolant when 40 psi is applied to it. He then recommend I get a new head (i called DS and SBR to ask them too). Since I had glenn's spare head, I had him take it apart and check it out too. Came out fine so he degreased, milled, installed to valve seals, and finally reassembled the head.

I get the head back and it looks all gravy. but then i look in the box that I received (other parts from the 97 and 96 head) and i saw that circular plug and 2 oil seals (large black rings) among other things. I figured out that the circular plug is from GLENN's 96 head and teh machinist switched my CAS into the 96 head.

But i also noticed (as per my 97 factory manual) that the 2 ring seals were not installed between the camshafts and cam gears.

what's there not to get?

[gtluke]

"he didn't have my cams, he had the entire head apart."

yet you complain that he didn't install your cam seals, that he aparently did not even have.

i keep asking the same question

[blcknspo0ln]

I think you and I are thinking about two different things.

Anyway, put it this way. I gave him a complete head, and after all said and done, I expect to get back the head in the same exact condition that it came in.. completely assembled. Although it really wasn't a big deal to install them, I'm pissed about the fact that he didn't even mention it. That would have sucked big time if I didn't take notice to it.