yeah...my time capsule just hit 100GB

[Nate Crisman]

the shitty part: It's been backing up my macbook pro harddrive since 8AM thursday morning non stop. It's now 10:32 on saturday night and it has 18 gig's to go still. OMG it's stupid fucking slow.

This is an apple Time capsule 500gb wireless backup using the Time Machine automatic backup software thats inside OSX leopard. Transfering over wireless network. The timecapsule is bascily an external drive - wireless router - printer server in one little box. In theory it should be the best solution for backup, if it actually worked.

This is the first apple product that Im not satisfied with, so far, it's a $290 paperweight until it makes a first succesful backup. If this fails, Im going to the apple store tomorrow to return it.

It has a normal ethernet port, but I can't for the life of me get my laptop to connect with it using the ethernet wire, so moot point.

Just figured Id make a post about something since NJDSM general has been pretty dead the last few days.

[dre99gsx]

uh.. who cares? 8)

[steveVR4]

It has a normal ethernet port, but I can't for the life of me get my laptop to connect with it using the ethernet wire, so moot point.

Needs crossover cable? :dunno:

[twizzle]

usb ftw. my 500gb external cost 99$ with case, its a MyBook. can copy a harddrive with ease. oh and wireless sucks :)

[Nate Crisman]

usb ftw. my 500gb external cost 99$ with case, its a MyBook. can copy a harddrive with ease. oh and wireless sucks :)

yup, Im pretty likely going to return this wireless drive and pick up a USB2.0 drive instead. While the wireless backup would make my life so much easier with a laptop, I guess I could deal with having to remember to plug in the usb drive every day at a certain time.

Will see how the time machine/time capsule works once the innitial backup is done. It's supposed to backup changes every hour. The innitial backup has about 3gb to go, should be done around lunch time.

[Nate Crisman]

It has a normal ethernet port, but I can't for the life of me get my laptop to connect with it using the ethernet wire, so moot point.

Needs crossover cable? :dunno:

The apple manual say "just plug it in and it will work, no software or settings changes required"...unfortunatly it doesn't. It's supposed to auto detect the ethernet cable and default to the faster transfer route.

[BigT]

uh.. who cares? 8)


:idea:

[Nate Crisman]

FAILURE! Initial backup cannot be completed. F this thing.

Trip to Apple Store tomorrow for a refund, then onto best-buy to find something USB/Firewire.

[gtluke]

you mac fags are retarded.
a 500GB hard drive is $99
an enclosure is $10
wtf seriously. use your brain not your wallet

oh, and you should tell these fine people WHY you are in the need to back up your zillion dollar macbook pro

OH BUT THE ICONS ARE SO PRETTY!

[tommyp]

Mac stuff rulez. I want to get an iDiot.

[Nate Crisman]

you mac fags are retarded.
a 500GB hard drive is $99
an enclosure is $10
wtf seriously. use your brain not your wallet

oh, and you should tell these fine people WHY you are in the need to back up your zillion dollar macbook pro

OH BUT THE ICONS ARE SO PRETTY!

Of course self built external drives are cheaper, I already made one myself from the original harddrive that came out of this macbook. Actually, the case was $20, but it's usb powered and small for portability. If I wanted a cable attached drive, I would have gotten a $120 USB 500gb drive from WD or seagate. But I wanted a wireless access drive, that only apple makes.

But this external drive is also a wireless router and a wireless printer server. But it's still about $100 overpriced for all that combination, but I was willing to eat that $100 extra for the convenience of it. My plan was to move all my printers (4) out of my living space so the kids don't F with them and be able to use them without standing next to them with UB cable. I also could have used the wireless router for when Jenn and I move out of this house and into our own eventually.

As far as I know, there is no other external drive that does wireless networking. In Theory this seemed like an optimal solution for a laptop as it would be able to do backups on a normal schedule without having to be plugged in.

And unfortunately, since Apple came out with the Time Capsule drive, they disabled the Time Machine backup software from network access to any drive other than a Time Capsule. So I can't just pick up a NAS western digital and plug it into Mike's airport router unless I want to use a different program for backup.


But, I think the real crux of the matter is that wireless G networks aren't suited for moving 100's of gigs of info around quick enough to be practical, so this being an apple product or any aftermarket brand of comparable product (there isn't one) is a moot point. If HP or WD made a wireless G harddrive, maybe it would suck just as bad?


Why do I need to backup my $1700 laptop...simple. Hard drives fail, it happens. Apple oem drives are normal fijitsu drives, probably just like HP and Dell laptops. I think I have a western digital in there now since I upgraded. But either way, if the drive fails, Ill loose all the editing and album design work. Not to mention losing all the time installing programs, lost email..ect. Im not sure what the deal was with this laptop freaking out that one day, easy fixed with online OSX update. But it got me thinking into what would I lose if the laptop wasn't backed up.


So today Im off to return this $299 time capsule and Ill go pick up a 500gb firewire/USB drive and just learn to keep the laptop connected every day. PITA, but necessary I guess.

[twizzle]

they make wireless usb hubs. :D
and the only harddrive i ever had die in a short amount of time (2 years) was a maxtor, but they suck ass) you shoulda just setup a raid array.

oh and to contribute bashing, this vid is funny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1AfL0Tsqp8

[gtluke]

we already went through a huge post about setting up an affordable external networkable raid for nate.

[Nate Crisman]

we already went through a huge post about setting up an affordable external networkable raid for nate.

yeah, unfortunatly, none of those solutions will work wireless, only through cord. Well, unless I want to use an aftermarket software for backup, because the software I want to use: Time Machine that is integrated with OSX will only recognize a time capsule. Apple got greedy and neutered the software so it can only point to a time capsule via wireless or a drive that is physically connected to the computer via usb or firewire. They specificly make it not work with any other harddrives on a network so they can sell more time capsules.


On a good note, I Fd with it some this morning, last ditch effort, and I got it to connect via ethernet cable. Then I told time machine not to backup my picture directory (saved 89gigs of the 139 gigs total). The backup completed in about 2 hours. It did a second hourly backup at 2:50 and it was done in about a minute.

Now Im going to figure out how I want to have it backup my pictures in smaller incremements until I get my whole system backed up. From there out, it should work fine on a hourly backup.

So, I guess im going to keep it for now.

[gtluke]

have fun with your overpriced proprietary headache
i had to sit through my brother sucking apple's dick all last night
(he works at starbucks)

[Nate Crisman]

i had to sit through my brother sucking dick all last night

Dude! and you think I have odd family relationships!!! :lol: :lol:

[DrSmile]

I use internal dual hard drives on the Thinkpad, the second hard drive is in the CD drive slot (who uses CD/DVDs anymore?). I'm limited to ~200 GB drives, but I only use it for work and rip all my movies/shows via an external DVD burner. The internal drives mirror very fast, I do it once a day, takes about 30 seconds.

[Nate Crisman]

I use internal dual hard drives on the Thinkpad, the second hard drive is in the CD drive slot (who uses CD/DVDs anymore?). I'm limited to ~200 GB drives, but I only use it for work and rip all my movies/shows via an external DVD burner. The internal drives mirror very fast, I do it once a day, takes about 30 seconds.

That's great. There were rumors that the next macbook pro would have a setup like that with a "hot swap" drive bay that you could use a hard drive, DVD burner, or blueray player as well as a USB case that any of the drives could slide in for external use. If that actually comes out, I would upgrade just for the dual internal hard drives.

That's my biggest gripe with a laptop...hard drive space. All these external drives is getting complicated.

[gtluke]

yeah thats what a desktop is for
or you could buy a dell or ibm laptop and get a docking station to turn your laptop into a desktop when you are home.

[satanpez]

You're doing more than trying to impress geeks at Starbucks with your iBook. Your machine was not meant for doing more than that.

I think you have talked me into buying a Zune to replace my iPod. :)

But seriously, I'm still confused about this. Why can't you spend $125 and have a USB external drive and just copy everything at the end of the night or week? Wouldn't that end ALL your problems?

-Steve

[gtluke]

but steve thats WORK, it completely goes against the mac mentality.
no work, all play

[Nate Crisman]

You're doing more than trying to impress geeks at Starbucks with your iBook. Your machine was not meant for doing more than that.

I think you have talked me into buying a Zune to replace my iPod. :)

But seriously, I'm still confused about this. Why can't you spend $125 and have a USB external drive and just copy everything at the end of the night or week? Wouldn't that end ALL your problems?

-Steve

I do use 2 external drives to backup my raw files in a copy/paste method. For basic data files that works just fine so long as Im diligent with it.

But copy/paste doesn't work for OS setup, program installs, and most of all my custom templates for album design and my self made photoshop actions. I feel alot better with an integrated os backup like Time Machine. If my laptop HD just fries, I can install a new blank drive, put the time machine CD in the drive and the computer rebuilds itself to exactly what it was the last hour I used it. I don't have to spend 2 days reinstalling programs, downloading cracks, hunting old email for serial #'s, and setting up the computer to how it was before. In my opinion it would be foolish to not utilize the complete backup and recovery software that is built into OSX.

Granted...I could just use a USB drive with the time machine software, but that means I need to have it connected. I wanted something that would make the backup every hour so long as the laptop is inside the house. Keeping the laptop tethered to the desk defeats the utility of the latop in general.

For my picture folders, Im just going to duplicate USB external drives and copy/paste after each download.

[Nate Crisman]

yeah thats what a desktop is for
or you could buy a dell or ibm laptop and get a docking station to turn your laptop into a desktop when you are home.

I going to build a desktop and run OSX on it over this summer after I recover from the D3 purchase. Then Ill get past all my storage issues in a less complicated way once I can have 3 or 4 internal drives.

But I still needed a laptop for school, client meetings, slideshows at weddings, it's portability has been really invaluable thus far. I wouldn't go back to having a desktop only even with all the pita with external drives.

Or I could have bought a dell or IBM laptop that is dockable, but has a dogshit screen making the laptop useless for my work. :roll: That was the dealbreaker with most of the windows laptops I was originally going to get: the screens are not hardware adjustable, too bright, small color gamut, and shift with temp.

[gtluke]

don't you just export your lightroom gallery?
i'm so paranoid about losing my pictures that i export my lightroom galleries to my media center PC, my external drive, my linux machine, and my boss's wife's raid computer :)
oh and they are online too
my laptop has a small hard drive so i can only have like 2 or 3 events on my laptop at once. though i save my very favorites in another gallery so i can keep them with me to show people.

i'm also very heavy with my delete key because i can't stand having so many similar or mediocre photos

DVD's are also 4.7 GB, i'm sure you can get a wedding on 1 disc. make 3 copies and distribute them to different locations in case of flood/fire.
i mean save the 10 shots that you'll go back to to show people, but really when its over you'll hardly ever go back. surely not enough times that getting a DVD off a shelf is going to kill you.

[Nate Crisman]

Yeah, I need to spend a late night going through folders in lightroom and hitting that delete key. I have every picture Iv taken since 2005 still, it's time for a large cull. Jsut between my 2 D200's I have over 24,000 shutter actuations and every shot is a 11mb raw file.

I pushed all my pictures up until may 1st 2008 off my laptop onto one external drive. That drive is 286gig and it has nothing but raw, jpg, and psd files on it. I bet I could cut that down to under 200 just by deleting the crap.

as far as DVD's. #1 it's not cost effective anymore since 500gb drives are $100 and 1TB drives can be had under $200. #2 it's a pita due to nearly every time I can't keep folders in date order on DVDs without wasting half a disk. Example folder 4/06 is 4.9 gigs 4/07 is 5.2 gigs WTF do I do..split them up and use 4 disks or "half ass" it and put some from both days onto 3 disks mixed up?

I do make DVD burns of important stuff: weddings before I even start to edit. But it's just too much of a pita to constantly be burning dvd's for everyday bs.

Id rather just have 2 big hard drives to duplicate everything than have one big storage drive and use DVD's to duplicate backup.

[twizzle]

um....dual layer has been out for years now. one date, one dvd. simple enough. 8.4gb i think...

[satanpez]

Norton Ghost? Why won't that work?

http://www.informationweek.com/news/har ... =207801251 (http://www.informationweek.com/news/hardware/mac/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=207801251)

Seems like there's a service pack out now for Time Machine. Sort of...it's not from Apple.

-Steve

[Nate Crisman]

Norton Ghost? Why won't that work?

http://www.informationweek.com/news/har ... =207801251 (http://www.informationweek.com/news/hardware/mac/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=207801251)

Seems like there's a service pack out now for Time Machine. Sort of...it's not from Apple.

-Steve

I got the time machine/time capsule to work now and it's doing fine. Im not going to F with it at this point with an unknown aftermarket OS update.

As I said before, I really wanted to use the integrated OSX software, and now that I figured out the issue with getting the ethernet cable to work and trimmed down the size of the backup by not having it duplicate my pictures and mp3 folder, I have no real issues. there was a small tab I must have overlooked about 30 times that had the setting I needed to change to get it to default to cable over wireless if available. I guess becuase I set the thing up to be a wireless router first before doing any backups, it defaulted to wireless first.

[gtluke]

hi, i'm a mac
somehow i make file backups complicated, expensive, and time consuming.

[Nate Crisman]

Guess you can't win em all. Everything else has been zero hassle with mac/osx this is honestly the first issue I have ran into. And it really was a user error, as it works perfectly now. Oh well.

And now I have hourly backups via wireless just like I originally wanted.

[tommyp]

Here's something that may help. I never used it personally, but I've heard of people that do use it. Use your old machine as a NAS.
http://www.freenas.org/