You customers are killing me...litterally!

[Nate Crisman]

I had a pretty bad day today guys. I assume some of you saw that post on Evom. I started writing my reply at 8:30am this morning, I was over an hour into writing "my book" when a delivery showed up.

I get up, start down the steps and Im feeling light headed. Im about 2 steps on my way back up and get a shooting pain in my back going to my left arm pit. My left arm goes completely numb and tingly. This was about the most scarey thing Iv ever experienced. Thought I was having a heart attack.

Now Im freaking out thinking Im going to die on my stairs. I get to top of the stairs and now Im hyper-ventilating. Jenn gets me a bag, as this has happened to me before when I get nervous. I get calmed down, tell her bout the back pain and numb arm. Off to hospital I go.

2 EKG, head cat scan, chest and head xrays, 2 IV's, blood tests, pressure tests and all sorts of monitors later, I get released from hospital this afternoon. Nothing really wrong. no heart attack.

Dr's say I had a severe anxiety attack and need to calm down. I got some pills that I don't think Im going to take, as they are addicting.

Anyway. Im freaked out. Tommorrow Im starting to eat vegetables and excercise more. Im taking this as a wake up call to improve my lifestyle before Im dead.

Im also seriously considering ways to distance myself from DSMotorsport, I simply cannot handle the stress of running the business. It would be sad to close it, but Im not going to die for it.

Thanks for the support on the thread guys. Especially Rene for taking some heat for me. Glad you guys got my back. :D

[shane]

well you will always have customers who are no happy, that is just busniess. just rest up for a while and think it over. and after your rested and back to 100% if you still feel thats what you need to do, then by all means do it. you have a kid to watch grow up and im sure that will be more than enough stress to get you worked up compaired to the busniess.

[atc250r]

I got some pills that I don't think Im going to take, as they are addicting.

Prescription drugs are over rated. Smoke a joint, drink a beer, and relax!! I'm glad to hear it wasn't a heart attack and I hope you can continue the business. You can't make everyone happy all of the time and as long as you know that you are doing right by your customers you can't let one spoiled brat asshole get you so stressed. You run your business first class and I was 110% convinced of that when we went through the GT3251 vs. GT3255 ordeal that time and you basically told me that you made a mistake and even offered to take the turbo back in trade for another one even though it was used. I give you a lot of credit for what you're doing in running your own business and doing something that you seem to have a love for, I wish I could do the same thing. Don't let this jerk get you all freaked out.

John

[Nate Crisman]

http://www.diamondstarmotorsport.com/evomreply.shtml

That is what I wrote, my honest account of the whole situation. Unfortuatnly it's on page 6 was posted at when I got home from hospital this afternoon, I didn't get to really finish it well, due to the circumstances. I just posted what I had written in the morning and left on the laptop sitting on the floor. I don't think that many people got to see my side of the story before the mods deleted the thread just about an hour ago.

[atc250r]

Drop the mods a line and ask them if your side of the story can be posted and then locked. You're obviously a well respected member of this community so I can only assume that you're well respected there too and they should be willing to go out of their way a little for you.

John

[Newdamagenyc]

All the best to you Nate.

Unfortunately, you can never make everyone happy, even when you do the right thing. And it certainly seems like this is the case here. That kid w/ the evo seems like he's talking a lot more from emotion than any kind of logic.

Anyways, I hope you feel better soon and follow up on that bit of advise you wrote about diet and exercise. It really does make a big difference.

-Stephen

[CollegeDropout]

you're right nate, its not worth it, please dont die on us

[VR4NNJ91]

Nates seem like your gonna have to get a camcorder and start filming any "errors" you see with customers cars so they don't try to pull a fast one on you like how this guy is trying to do. Your well respected here so to hell with this loser trying to give you a bad name.

[quasimondo]

I think evom deleted the entire post. I couldn't find it anymore.

Anyway, fwiw, this is the only bad thing I've ever heard about from your shop. I think the amount of customers you've helped (myself included) will outweight any bad karma that could possibly come from somebody who didn't know what they were doing trying to get an undeserved free ride.

[Utah Joe]

dam nate, maybe you need to just find work that allows you to leave it a 5pm and not worry about it. Let me know if you ever want a job with me. I was so wishing I could have gotten in on that argument, but I never joined evom.

[gtluke]

nate is a maniac
being as i spent 8 years getting a degree in psychology i feel i should at least say something.
western medicine is horse shit. i wouldn't take the pills. figure out how to eliminate your stressors and find a way to relieve them

you are juggling too many things that are too serious. work, home, your family, your extended family, friends, and your own personal self.
you need to shave some stressors off each one, as you can never escape any of them.

stop overextending yourself. you can not possibly satisfiy everyone in your life all the time. nobody can. but for some reason you keep trying, which is honerable but its killing you.

i've taken several classes on stress management, anxiety, and others that relate. the easiest and most effective way to deal with stress is exercise. 20 minutes of elevated heart rate a day will do WONDERS for your stress levels. try and break a sweat everyday for at least 20 minutes. the stress will pour off.

i'll stop lecturing. but it is something i've been trained on and know a lot about if you have questions.
feel better.

[iboostdoyou]

i took a psych/soc class on sports and exercise also. The activity increases the body's output of hormones that not only help reduce stress, but create a more overall sense of happiness. Not only that, but for that half hour or so that you are exercising, that is time that your thinking about something besides those multitude of things that stress you out. Let alone the obvious increase in health from exercising, it truly is one of the best things you can do. As cheesy as it sounds, I would pick up a leisurely sport that you can enjoy with some friends and still get a workout. Besides playing baseball for my college team, I found that racquetball actually provided a great workout, cheap, not overly time consuming, and can be played by yourself or anywhere from 1-3 other friends. It sounds kind of odd, but you really should look into it

[blcknspo0ln]

i like playing tennis. because if I get mad, I just hit the ball as hard as I can.. then I feel better :lol:

okay seriously, As far as I can see (and read).. you're doing a great job being a business owner and just because one guy is a fucking tard.. doesn't mean that you've failed what what you've set out to do. I work in retail so I know that you can't satisfy everyone. IMO just relax a bit. Like everyone says, pick up a new sport/hobby and get to it. Working on cars usually gives me my alone relief time, but obviously for you that's out of the question.

perhaps you could pick up knitting? LOL

[97gsxminus1bolt]

When I get stressed I hit the gym. Its gotta be hard though running a shop, marriage, and a kid.

[helite99]

damn nate, i hope u get better

[Utah Joe]

Nate, what you need to do is come riding with us more. There is no better stress reliver. I think we are going to tennesee again in a couple of weeks, you should come down a chill out for the weekend.

[90goldtsiawd]

Wow Nate..... wow... Best of luck w/ whatever you decide...

[antlip]

well if it makes you feel better "Nate@DSMotorsport", i bought a pillar gauge pod about a week ago, sent my money paypal, recieved a tracking number the next day, got my pod in 2 or 3 days, the box was 99% stuffed with those little foam thingys (way more than ever needed for a gauge pod would ever need, i mean they could of tied it to the bumper of the truck and drug it to my house). he replied to me with all the questions i had the same day.

just wanted to leave you something positive about a sale. by the way thanks for the pod, it looks great in my car, matches the interior grey perfectly :D

[dustyduff]

figure out how to eliminate your stressors and find a way to relieve them

you are juggling too many things that are too serious. work, home, your family, your extended family, friends, and your own personal self.
you need to shave some stressors off each one, as you can never escape any of them.

stop overextending yourself. you can not possibly satisfiy everyone in your life all the time. nobody can. but for some reason you keep trying, which is honerable but its killing you.

Re-read Luke's post, and that is about the best advice anyone can give you. I definitely relate with you though Nate, I've never had anything as severe as what you're going through happen to me (with the trip to the hospital), but anxiety can definitely take control of your day to day life. I used to find myself waking up in the middle of the night (3 A.M.) every morning, in a cold sweat, dreading to have to wake up deal with the bullshit that awaited me at work. Listen to Luke's advice, and take care of the most important things in your life, and don't worry about situations that are out of your control. Anyway, hope you feel better.

[MikeL]

I understand the reluctance to use pills, I personally never believed in them, but my observations with co workers and my fiance's family has shown me that at least for anxiety issues they can be useful, even if its just for a few months to get you through a tough time. Everyone in liz's family is on one pill or another, she needed them recently since my son has hit the "terrible" 2s and really is quite a handfull, I am not sure which one she is on, but it has helped alot, side affect of being a bit more tired, but hers is also a sleeping aid becuase she couldn't sleep through the night. I can understand the added stress of having a young one whil trying to figure out life, it's expensive as hell out here to live and even though I make decent money, its tight and with the kid you can't live like you were single you need money and when there are times when your not sure where you will find it its scary.

[Nate Crisman]

Well, Day 1 is going good.

I ate good today carrots, broccoli, corn, and potatoes at dinner. no snacks, one soda. Limiting myself to one soda per day. Remainder of liquids will be flavored water or some sort of low cal/suger stuff. have to make it a point to eat 3 normal meals a day instead of skipping breakfast, eating shit in the shop for lunch (candy, chips, soda ect), then gorging a huge dinner (usually take out) along with eating shit on the couch till 1am. Last time I cut out soda for about a month, I lost 10lb just from that.

Spent 20 minutes on the treadmill, holy shit Im out of shape. couldn't go more than 3mph without just about falling. At 3mph, I coudn't speak between breathing. had to go down to 2mph for a bit. I made it 1.01 miles in 20min sweating my ass off. Will try and hit the treadmill atleast 4 times a week for one of the "programs".

Im starting out at 226lb festivly plump from holiday foods and snacks. Dr says I should get atleast under 200. Jenn says if I make it to 185 she will buy me a new motocross bike. So Im motivated to say the least.

I was forced to sell my motocross bike to pay business debts this fall, along with parting out my talon, and recently most of my evo8 HP parts. Sucks to lose all your toys. So I gotta lose 40lb. :wink:

Wish me luck guys, Im going to need it. :!:

[puremx69]

If you need help with anything Nate, don't hesitate to ask me or anyone else on these boards.

Take your time, rest up and get better, and hey, if you drop down in weight, think of how much faster the car will be able to go at the track! lol

[gtluke]

don't force yourself to eat veggies if you don't like them. corn is loaded with sugar. infact cooked vegies are almost pointless to eat.
what will help the most is avoiding processed foods. eat as much raw stuff as you can.
30 minute oatmeal is 100 times better for you than 1 minute oatmeal. the process that they use to get those 29 minutes out ruins any quality of eating oats.same with rice... orange juice is horseshit too just about as bad for you as a can of coke. but real oranges are good for you.
generally, anything white is bad for you. if there is a varient in brown, choose the brown. brown rice, brown bread.
white bread is shit, avoid that. try some whole grain bread. 7 grain bread is fantastic. the texture is amazing.

part of the key to health and weightloss is eating things that are slow to digest. like whole grains. the whole grains have a hard time digesting, but if you blend and bleech the living shit out of them it makes it really easy for your body to digest them. hence you just took in double what you normally would if you didn't blend and pound it.

so yeah, avoid thing that have been processed, blended, stripped or cooked (when possible). and be careful not to drink your diet. you can easily consume a days calories in soda and juice and shakes and not even notice. high fructose corn syrup is your biggest enemy. its like sugar but digests FAST in your body so you get every last drop of it digested very quickly right into your blood stream.

at scott foley's wedding i was 215lbs
by their divorce i was 185 and have been there ever since. i gained a few after my bike wreck from complete lack of mobility but i'm 184 today. i'm shotting for 175 for this summer. i accomplished this through those idea's i just gave. how your food is prepared is just as important as what you eat.

3 meals a day isn't great either. try 5 smaller ones. sitting down at dinner is a BAD idea. you eat for your whole day in one sitting and then pretty much go to bed on it. your dinner should be smaller than your lunch. but that doens't fly well in america. focus on keeping your metabolism up by not starving or gorging yourself.

thats my lesson for today. it worked for me and will work for you.

[Nate Crisman]

Damn, your 185 now? Im going to have a hard time making that weight, as Im a bit taller and "thicker" than you are. This is going to take some serious ASS BUSTING and more will power than I have previously had. :twisted:

how much excersize do you actually get?

[Greg97GSX]

how much exercise do you actually get?


About as much as it takes for him to type that post before yours :) Glad to see that you're doing well Nate and keep us posted. If you need anything, don't be afraid to ask!!!

[JPstealth]

Nate damn, im sorry man, im sure my pos gsx isnt helping situations lol still waiting on that stupid ass ECU, havnt even had it shipped out yet so take your time with the wiring harness and gauges, no rush. i would assume its going to be atleast another week or so before i get it.

i didnt know u were a MX'er, my crf450 is my stress reliever. so u better get another bike!

but yea, i went to the docs about some serious anxiety (wont go into it) but stupid ass doctor just gave me scripts of garbage... zoloft and librium i do believe. i seen what happens when people take that shit they turn into zombies, stay away!

- Jon

[gtluke]

Damn, your 185 now? Im going to have a hard time making that weight, as Im a bit taller and "thicker" than you are. This is going to take some serious ASS BUSTING and more will power than I have previously had. :twisted:

how much excersize do you actually get?

that day i came in like 2 years ago after puking my brains out all night i was 178
thats the lightest i've been in my adult life. i settled at 185 and have been there for a while.

i go to physical therapy every wednesday and do 15 minutes on a bike, and do stomach and back exercises and thats about it. half hour a week. but as you know i move around a lot. i usually run when i have to travel 20 feet.
but i'm going to start working out soon. i no longer live on the 4th floor, and i no longer use my muscles for a living. so i'm working on finding a exercise bike or some other small piece of equipment to use at the house. i might just start going back to my school gym and doing laps in the pool again.
there i sn't much i can do with my back as jacked as it is now.
it takes a long time to make a change. be patient. its not nitrous

[TuRBoTaLooN95]

damn Nate...sorry to hear about the bad situation.

personally, I just have to say that you guys are probably the best shop I've ever dealt with. given that I've only been there a handful of times for small parts (bov flange, spark plugs, etc) you guys have been nothing but helpful and nice. you are the only guys i would consider for serious work....well at least when I had the talon. but who knows, maybe i'll drop by with the cobalt someday if you guys are willing to tackle the pikachu.

good luck though with everything and i hope it all works out.

[derf hwt]

I guess I should chime in on this one considering I lost 154 lbs in 10 months (the majority of it in eight). If you really want to lose a few pounds start elimating the sugar and starch carbohydrates in your diet, as Luke said. Lean meats (tuna, other fish, chicken, and even the occasional steak) and high fiber are good. Most fruits are fairly high in sugar so try to eat them earlier in the day so you have the rest of the day to work them off. Most berries are lower in sugar then citrus fruits and apples, pears, etc. Make your foods work for you... Don't eat them to eat them eat them because that food has something you need(aka protein in meats, vitamins and minerals in fruits and veggies). That sounds so stupid but it worked very well for me and once you get into that mentality weight loss is much easier. I don't know if you drink but that will KILL a diet! Also Drink lots of water ( I think the recommened amount is a gallon a day) it actually helps with weight loss. You probably don't remember but when I was at the shop I usally kept a half gallon of container of water with me. If you like drinking something with some flavor in get Crystal Light . You can drink Diet soda but try to limit it. I don't keep any in the house so if I really want one I have to drive down to the market and get one. Also another thing that helped me was out of sight- out of mind. I doubt everyone in your household will be on the same diet as you so have your wife put the candy where you don't know where it is, smae with the white bread and anything else that will want to make you break your diet. Also as for exercise i'm a big fan of the eliptical machines, the are low impact(which is more important for you as you get older and for people like me where years of football and wrestling have left you knee's fubar'd) and still can work the hell out of you. Start slow and build yourself up to a decent level around 30-40 minutes or so at a decent pace. Try to do something everyday even if you don't want or don't think you have the time, even if its only for a little bit. Also lifting is a great way to lose weight there are dozen of viable workouts online for weightloss and the added bonus of gained muscle mass. Weight loss and getting health is not complicated its jsut a lot of hard work an putting your mind to it.

[number1enemy]

Could be worse. You know the guy Nick from Precision Dyno that posts on Evom.net well, he has a website about how shity his work is from a old customer. So just remember it could be worse! http://www.precisiondynosucks.com/

Be sure to check out the forums as there are many interesting stories.

[iboostdoyou]

actually I believe nate was actually on that site if I remember correctly, he asked to be removed and was. Maybe it was a different site though

[Nate Crisman]

Same site. That guy who is pissed at precision dyno is also out of his mind. He got pissed at me becuase I told him stuff he didn't want to hear on Evom. He has a highly modified evo8 with an AEM EMS. He doesn't know how to tune anything, doesn't know how to datalog, doesn't know how to do anything in the EMS software. He goes to track, lets someone "toon" the car in the pits without even seeing a datalog, turns up the boost and blows up his motor. Then he's blaming the shop who tuned it for pumpgas/low boost. :roll:

He put me on his "bad shops" list becuase I told him the truth that he shouldn't own an EMS and his blown motor was really his fault.

[91tsiguy]

Not sure if this would be worth adding to your reply, Nate, but there was the day he called up asking how much it would be to have his performance parts reinstalled on his car (after the tranny was fixed) and then later showed up 1-2 days afterwards to pick them up and tells us in person that, and I quote, "I sold the evo"

Everything else is 100% true as I of course was around during the entire ordeal as well.

[gtluke]

he traded it in on ANOTHER 05 evo 8

[91tsiguy]

Ah, didn't know. I wasn't able to see that post in time.

[gtluke]

nah i did a search under his name and found that.

[Nate Crisman]

I did pretty well today again. Solid breakfast of normal chearios/1% and a no fat yogurt. Ham/cheese sandwich and a clementine for lunch, soup and brown rice for dinner. All standard portions. had a granola bar for snack. no soda. only propel water (10calory bottles).

not GTluke's ideal, but it's a start...probobly less than half of what I normally eat any day last week.

ran 1.15 miles today, better pace. Sweated my ass off again (sweatsuit this time rather than tshirt/shorts). Can't belive how good I feel bout half hour after jogging. Almost forgot how much I want to eat.

Brent was in the shop today. He can attest I gave up all the snack food and candy. Also walked past his desk 20 times without grabbing any of his caramel corn. We threw out all the shit food in the office.

Jenn threw all the remaining christmas candy and treats in the trash today too. Sad to see those chocolat truffles go. :cry: :cry:

[gtluke]

it will get easier once you loose your sugar addiction. its really strange but if you avoid sugar for a few weeks, you totally stop wanting it and a little bit suddenly becomes a lot of it. really friggan weird.
well, same shit with salt too.
but in a few days you'll suck a dick for a bar of chocolate :)

[91tsiguy]

Brent was in the shop today. He can attest I gave up all the snack food and candy. Also walked past his desk 20 times without grabbing any of his caramel corn. We threw out all the shit food in the office.

Yup, subconciously I was waiting to slam the lid on your hand as you try and take my lunch as normal, but today was good for a change. :wink:

[Nate Crisman]

Brent was in the shop today. He can attest I gave up all the snack food and candy. Also walked past his desk 20 times without grabbing any of his caramel corn. We threw out all the shit food in the office.

Yup, subconciously I was waiting to slam the lid on your hand as you try and take my lunch as normal, but today was good for a change. :wink:

Yeah, I used to be the "lunch money bully" in the shop. Not anymore, your mom's going to have to cut down on your lunches now that she's not feeding 2 of us.

[gtluke]

i <3 brent's mom

[Nate Crisman]

Another good day
Plain chearios and a yogurt for breakfast
ham/cheese sandwich for luch no mayo, 15 pretzle sticks, clementine
little cheeseburger, apple, 3 waffes w/peanut butter for dinner

not a touch of brent's mom's food. :wink:

no soda or snacks, all water. Im also pooping my brains out. :lol:

Ran 1.5 miles 25min in sweatsuit all zipped up with hood on. Seated right through the thing, it was soaked.

scale says 223lb now! :D 41 to go. 8)

[gtluke]

jeeze nate you are still eating for 2
well at least its not 3 or 4 :)
that sweet tooth will die hard young jedi

there is this guy at my jobsite that i talk to a lot. he's a civil engineer at a site i'm building. he's on zoloft and he said he can't get off of it. before he got married he had an anxiety attack and the doctors put him on zoloft. he said he can NOT get off of it now, 4 years later. he keeps trying but the addiction is too strong. we talked about it today. then i took him for a ride in my galant and he turned white and admitted that it was faster than his supercharged lt1 firebird :)

avoid meds.

[Nate Crisman]

jeeze nate you are still eating for 2
well at least its not 3 or 4 :)
that sweet tooth will die hard young jedi

there is this guy at my jobsite that i talk to a lot. he's a civil engineer at a site i'm building. he's on zoloft and he said he can't get off of it. before he got married he had an anxiety attack and the doctors put him on zoloft. he said he can NOT get off of it now, 4 years later. he keeps trying but the addiction is too strong. we talked about it today. then i took him for a ride in my galant and he turned white and admitted that it was faster than his supercharged lt1 firebird :)

avoid meds.

eating for 2. that was like 2200 calories! Right now, Im so damn hungry. I think if there was like spinach or broccolli in front of me, I would eat it.

When I think back to a few days last week, I remember thursday
Breakfast: 4 cups of suger coated cereal, 4 slices white toast w/butter, 2 glasses juice.
Lunch: 2 slices slimey pizza, 1lt soda
Snacks: couple candy bars, another soda
Dinner: noodles, fried chicken, can soda, 3 cupcakes w/ iceing
Snacks: bag of popcorn, 2 sodas, few cookies, some chocolate.

That's got to be like 4000 calories atleast. not to mention is all suger, fat, and crap.

[gtluke]

wow you are lucky you arn't 500lbs you used to eat a LOT of food, holy shit.
today i ate
breakfast: light egg beaters
lunch: cracker barrellass chedder cheese
dinner: piece of chicken with mustard, spinach
i'm 181 today

one of my tricks is that i drink a lot of tea. tea, splenda, 2 teaspoons of fat free sugar free milk. it really fills you up. i try for decaf beverages because caffine slows your appetite and metabolism.

watch that fruit! an apple contains FOUR packs of sugar. you might as well drink a can of coke. but it does contain fiber, which will help you digest faster.

you should really get a modern weight loss book. everything that we have learned growing up is mostly false. like that government food pyramid. that thing is sooooo bullshit.
carb intake is often overlooked. unburnt carbs in your body turn into sugar. so all those pretzles might have well been pixie sticks because at the end of the day they are the same thing.

i learned SOOOO much from the south beach diet book. you don't even have to follow that diet but the facts about how your body work really help. his diet is all about fiber and carb intake, and keeping your body in ketosis. i try and keep my body in ketosis for a few months a year. if you eat like humans have eaten for the past 2 MILLION years your body stays in ketosis (burns fat all day long). meat, leafy greens. shit you can find outside.
but in the last 2,000 years we have invented what we come to think as normal foods like bread, pasta, learned to cook rice, harvest sugar from cane and beats...
but thats just me. i believe in history and natural answers. but most people yell at me when they see me eat. works great for me though.

[Nate Crisman]

Im not so much worried right now specificly about "what" I eat...rather just how much. My plan is to cut down on my quantities and learn how to properly portion my food out first. Once Im eating sane quantities, then Ill deal with specifics of sugers/fats/carbs ect.

between slicing my calorie intake in half and getting a decent workout everyday I want to see what kind of dent it will make. If I can reach my goal this way while still eating all the foods I like just less of them, Ill be happier in the end living this way permanently.

But yes, somehow I was only 225lb eating shit constantly. And somehow my colestoral was not retarted, niether was my blood pressure. It's not great, it's not good, but by some miracle Im not at "death risk" bad either.

[gtluke]

the problem with just cutting quantity is that your metabolism will slow with it. you need to keep your metabolism up or you will become lethargic. you obviously have a high metabolism if you ate like that for so long and aren't morbidly obese.
if i were you i'd not care about how much, but what. if you suddenly swap candy bars for stalks of celerty, your body will work just as hard to digest it but instead of digesting 30grams of carbs, 200 calories, and 10 grams of fat from the candy bar, it digested that exactly from your body because celery is pretty much water, but your body thought you were eating so it started its digestive cycle.

don't go hungry, you need to eat. if your stomach rumbles, EAT. but just be careful what you eat. low food diets are horrible, you'll gain that right back once you decide you are sick of starving. you need to make a lifestyle change in what you eat. its going to be MUCH harder to train your body not to eat rather than just change what you eat. you have 27 years of habitual eating, thats going to be REALLY hard to break. keep food around that you can eat but wont' kill you. for me its celery, you should try foods till you find things you can eat that are almost empty that you can snack on so that you dno't get aggrivated about not eating.
diet popcorn is great too. there isn't much there but you at least feel like you ate something. hunt around for a food you enjoy but is healthy. well really it should be a vegatable.
don't shock your body too hard. you might damage something. take it easy, it takes a LOT of time and patience.

[TurboMike]

Be careful with the tea. I went from never drinking tea to two or three cups a day and wound up with a kidney stone. After that I found out tea is one of the biggest contributors to stones.

[gtluke]

really? shit
i drink at ton of tea in the winter. fuck

[atc250r]

Anything with a lot of caffeine (coffee or tea) leads to them. I had a kidney stone twice, both times I was heavy on the coffee before I got them. The pain from that is like nothing I've ever felt before, a month with broken shoulder was a walk in the park compared to the 24 hrs that kidney stone was tearing me up. Two vicodin (sp?) just barely took the edge off and knocked me out so I could get some sleep. I think the doctor told me that chocolate causes them too but I'm not sure on that.

John

[gtluke]

i'm going back on my diet rite diet
no caffeine, none of that dye that is supposed to cause them.
suckage

[BP95GSX]

Eating right and keeping in shape/progressing is worse than torture. When my brothers order up Dominos I watch them eating it while I take down a couple cans of tuna. Makes me cry.

[Nate Crisman]

Still going good. Up to almost 2 miles of jogging/fast walking a day ~45min on treadmill 3mph to 5mph. Seriously, the 6-7lb Ihave lost must have all come from sweat.

Eating about 2000cal a day. Sticking to my cerial/fruit breakfast, sandwich lunch, and small/normal dinner. I had half of a klondike icecream bar tonight with jenn, small 125cal treat since Im working on a car 3hr's today, and till 12 tonight burning up calories instead of couch sitting. Figure I can spare 100 more.

really looking forward to saturday, our "off day". We are going out to eat, Ill have a full fatman meal with soda. :shock:

Im going to start double excerize on sat. Still doing my 1.75 to 2mile treadmill before dinner, but will start doing an aerobics video in the morning. Im sure my son will get a kick out of watching me do homo dance stuff while he hangs out in the jumperoo seat. Want to try and burn off like 500 cal worth of excercise per day. Im getting 200+ on the treadmill.

So far, so good. Scale says 220 to 219 depending on when I crap and clothing. 6-7lb off so far.

I have to say that if I stay busy and occupied, I have much less hunger. Maybe it's all in my mind and I wasn't really hungry the whole time. Like if I was bored I was eating. Guess I need to stay off the couch at night, and keep busier during the day. Sitting at my desk and sitting on the couch at night are the only times I really crave food. Maybe Ill try and go to bed wicked early with jenn at like 9:30-10.

[gtluke]

bored + eating is my problem too. i tend to open the fridge when i'm bored.
its REALLY hard to break and deal with. thats why i have that drinking problem. its my diversion. smokers have the same problem. the physical act is a really hard step to overcome.

[NitrousPete]

the physical act is a really hard step to overcome.

Is that why I'm going blind? :P

I agree luke, smoking has been a longtime vice for me. I've tried to quit a few times and it's not easy. Now that I'm working a less physical job, eating is becoming one of those vices too. Hopefully as wintertime boredom is replaced by summer stuff I'll find myself doing less of both.

Drinking? Not nearly as much anymore, although I certainly ate less and was about 20lbs lighter too....

[gtluke]

thank god my drinking problem is only diet soda :)

[Nate Crisman]

Yup, boredom = eating for me. Iv been working down in the shop (doing 2g timing belt job) since just after dinner (7pm ish). I haven't felt hungry much at all.

Im going to have to spend alot more of my free time at nights down in the shop tinkering with my talon. Once I start that project of putting the car back together, I should be occupied most nights instead of sitting on the couch watching tv.

Just hope I can lose the 40lb by april so I can get my new dirtbike in time to start riding in the spring with utah, brent, matt, john. It's going to suck bigtime if Im stuck at 195 or so and the tracks open up. About 8 weeks. 5lb per week? Going to take some SERIOUS WORK.

[T_K]

Keep the fridge empty :lol: really helps!

[JessGST]

Here's my tips, since everyone else is giving theirs. :)

Don't skip breakfast. The sooner you get your metabolism going in the morning, the better.

Drink cold, cold water and lots of it. Not only is it good for you, but you're body actually burns calories warming the water. It also raises your body's temperature which in turn raises your metabolism.


Be careful with the tea. I went from never drinking tea to two or three cups a day and wound up with a kidney stone. After that I found out tea is one of the biggest contributors to stones.

I used to have a lot of problems with my kidneys. I used to also drink a lot of caffeine.

I've heard that Green Tea is low on caffeine, but I'm not really sure. I don't like tea.

[NitrousPete]

So you're saying caffine is bad? I thought it was a good appitite suppressant? I drink a fair amount of coffee, is that as bad as tea?

I agree with what you say about breakfast though, I've heard from several sources that if you're going to eat junk, eat it early as that is when your metabolism is best. Big breakfast, big lunch, small dinner, no food a few hours before bed.

That's a good tip about the water though, I'll have to try that. Does cold, cold beer count?

[JessGST]

That's a good tip about the water though, I'll have to try that. Does cold, cold beer count?

LOL, yes and No. Yes you'll still burn calories, but you'll burn a whole lot less then what's in the beer, so it doesn't do you any good.

[TurboMike]

Kidney stone is NO JOKE. Started feeling mine in the supermarket. Drive home was painful. Got home and threw the groceries on the floor and ran to the bathroom, then figured this couldnt be gas or the megashits so I jumped in a nice hot bath and the pain went away. After about 10 min tho, it came back with a fury. Tried to walk to my bedroom (walking over my groceries) and the pain hit like a bullet and I laid on the floor naked and wet for 10 min. After 10 min I sucked it up and reached up, called 911. I could bearly speak so they sent cops to my house. Luckily the front door was still wide open and I was able to grab sweatpants off my bed before I got there. I was screaming and cursing my head off in the ambulance and the ER, and I'm a quiet shy kinda guy.

But enough of that fun day, here's my theorys on eating right:

Look at everything for what it is. Fat is fat, sugar is sugar, salt is salt. Any dairy (milk, butter, cheese) is fat. Any oil (olive, soy/veg, corn) is fat. Any meat (chicken, beef, pork) is fat. Anytime I eat anything thats fat I just think about the yellow slimey gross shit the last time I chopped up a chicken and then tried to wash it off my hands. Fat is gross, avoid at all costs. Putting butter on anything is like tossing some slimey yellow chicken fat on it. Mayonaise on any sandwhich? Fat. I dont get microwave popcorn anymore, theres a layer of fat in there that melts and pops the corn. That crappy fake butter flavor? All fat and chemicals. Now I make popcorn in an air popper and put a little salt on it, and its great once you get used to it. Popcorn is all fiber and no fat if air popped. Sandwhich is always dry.... no butter, no mayo. Maybe one slice of cheese if its a boring meat like chicken. If its a dry ass sandwhich put some lettuce or a slice of tomato on it, that wets it up nice with no fat and no chemicals.

Sugar is sugar. Candy is make with sugar cane, all sweetened foods are made with corn syrup, all juices are made with processed fruit. Its all just sugar. You wouldnt eat a big piece of candy if you're on a diet, but bottled juice is like melting a big peice of candy in a glass of water. Sure it says 100% juice, that should mean its the same as eating the fruit right? No way. Its all from consentrate. Apple juice is just apples rendered down to apple sugar then mixed with water. (your fav fruit here) juice is just (your fav fruit here) rendered down to sugar and mixed with water. All those fruit juices are just candy like sugary breakfast cereal.

The only thing that makes you full is fiber. Low calory fiber food is gold when it comes to losing weight and being healthy. White bread has calories but it has no fiber, so its junk. Wheat breat has the same calories, but its has 300x the fiber so its good food. Popcorn is like 2grams of fiber with 0 fat and 0 calories (if air popped). Food with high fiber high vitamins and low calories: celery, lettuce, brocolli, asparagus, plain oatmeal, high fiber no sugar cereals. Food that everyone thinks is healthy but its just a ball of sugar: apples, banannas, tomatos. Those have high fiber and vitamins, but theres so much sugar its not a diet food.

Eating less is good, but if you get hungry all the time its worthless. You need to get your calories down and your fiber intake up. Dont matter if the calories come from fat or sugar. The basics: Fat processes slowly and is stored in the body to be burned in the future. If you dont burn it in the future with activity, it stays fat. Sugar gets processed quickly and turns into energy right away. But if you dont use it with activity, its stored as fat in the body. But a calory is a calory. Its a unit of energy. The more calories in a food you eat just means the amount of engery/activity you have to do to burn it up and get it out of your body. Keep the calories low and you take in less engery, be more active and you use more engery = fat is removed from the body.

If you can try and stick to eating right 75% of the time, the 25% of the time you eat something fattening or sugary or go out to eat wont matter. Theres no way to stay on a diet 100% of the time.

It all starts in the supermarket. If you buy shit, you're going to eat shit. If you only buy good foods thats all there is in your house thats what you're going to eat 75% of the time.

[chrisAWD]

if boredom=eating is a problem.....pick up smoking. It makes u look cool and is no calories at all. :twisted:

[gtluke]

werd mike is right on.
its all about the fiber and understanding that just because your parents said that apples are good for you doesn't mean they are.
whitebread, fruit, juice. eliminating those will do you much good. don't get me wrong, apples are great but they arn't diet food like mike said. they are high in fiber but they do contain 4 packets of sugar a piece.

[Nate Crisman]

Well less calories + major excercise is going to work. I have been steady 225lb for a year or so. Getting alot of excercise and halfing my calories has got to be good.

[Utah Joe]

i agree with mike with exception of meat and fat. If you are sucking down hot dogs and burgers, I agree. But fish, chicken and even pork can be done with almost no fat consumption. Nate, when I lost 100lbs the only thing I did was eat no more than 20 grams of fat in a day and work out. Took me about 4 months. But everyone is different.

just keep working out!!!!!!

[gtluke]

counting calories isn't the solution. you are just going to empty your stomach and feel like shit and slow your metabolism. thats not healthy.

you are surrounded by guys that have lost a TON of weight, and i don't think a single one of us has ever counted calories. everyone in this thread so far has told you about sugar and fiber. this is VERY important for keeping your weight down for a lifetime. right now you are doing a highschool crash diet to look good for prom. if you keep working out and staying hungry your are going to collapse.
you need to trick your body into digesting your fat and shitting out your food while still taking in the vital nutrients from the food. this is done through fiber and deprivation of sugar. this way your metabolism stays high but you loose weight. and your energy stays high. so when you start eating normal again you won't balloon up with fat that your body doesn't know what to do with. up till last week you were eating a TON of food but not really gaining weight. use that insane metabolism to your advantage! let your body work for you.

in typical nathan fashion (trademark of utah) you expect results NOW. you have to take it easy. we don't want you to hurt yourself. get some MODERN books on wieght loss for MEN. men and women diet completely different. men can metabolize fat like 10 times faster than women when prompted to but the majority of weight loss is centered around women so seek out the men's health books.

take it easy, don't get on the scale, and don't crash and burn.
this should be a lifetime commitment you are making. don't expect to get there in one month. the exercise you are doing is great, but just make sure your body has the energy (food) to keep you going.

sorry if i seem like i'm lecturing, but i think this is important.
i have burried WAAAAAY too many friends already.
i'm a safety nazi if you couldn't tell by my recent 6 page seat belt thread.

thanks for not inviting me to banzai :madface:

[Nate Crisman]

counting calories isn't the solution. you are just going to empty your stomach and feel like shit and slow your metabolism. thats not healthy.

you are surrounded by guys that have lost a TON of weight, and i don't think a single one of us has ever counted calories. everyone in this thread so far has told you about sugar and fiber. this is VERY important for keeping your weight down for a lifetime. right now you are doing a highschool crash diet to look good for prom. if you keep working out and staying hungry your are going to collapse.
you need to trick your body into digesting your fat and shitting out your food while still taking in the vital nutrients from the food. this is done through fiber and deprivation of sugar. this way your metabolism stays high but you loose weight. and your energy stays high. so when you start eating normal again you won't balloon up with fat that your body doesn't know what to do with. up till last week you were eating a TON of food but not really gaining weight. use that insane metabolism to your advantage! let your body work for you.

in typical nathan fashion (trademark of utah) you expect results NOW. you have to take it easy. we don't want you to hurt yourself. get some MODERN books on wieght loss for MEN. men and women diet completely different. men can metabolize fat like 10 times faster than women when prompted to but the majority of weight loss is centered around women so seek out the men's health books.

take it easy, don't get on the scale, and don't crash and burn.
this should be a lifetime commitment you are making. don't expect to get there in one month. the exercise you are doing is great, but just make sure your body has the energy (food) to keep you going.

sorry if i seem like i'm lecturing, but i think this is important.
i have burried WAAAAAY too many friends already.
i'm a safety nazi if you couldn't tell by my recent 6 page seat belt thread.

thanks for not inviting me to banzai :madface:

Who is on your diet now:

Utah lost his weight by counting calories, eating low fat foods and most of all...excercise. I don't remember utah ever passing up a hamburger bun.

Steve. He eats everything I do, in fact, he's my weight loss coach right now. Excercise and less calories is what he's telling me. It's the only thing that has worked for him long term. HE's been on atkins, southbeach, you name it. every time he starts eating normal foods again..bread, fruit, suger get goes back up to old weight + some.

you and ryan are the only ones I know that are currently on that diet system. I refuse to only eat what you eat.

you are invited to bonzia, but we haven't officialy made a timeframe. either early bird 4:30-5pm or after 8. I haven't made the phone calls to invite peoole. yet,.

[gtluke]

i didn't say do atkins
i said to pay close attention to your fiber and sugar intake.
thats what ryan, utah, myself, and so far pretty much everyone in this thread has said. ryan sucks at it. i know rene believes in this too.
i never said don't ever eat bread. what i said was to choose whole wheat and brown rice. avoid sugars, especially refined sugar and high fructose corn syrup. avoid processed foods and drinks.
i never said anything about atkins. just because i do it doesn't mean i'm telling you to do it. i said i keep my body in ketosis sometimes.

do you really think you'll be able to keep up that 2,000 calorie diet your whole life? because as soon as your calories start creeping up so will your weight. thats why i'm giving you another alternative that is MUCH easier to maintain for you life. choosing foods wisely instead of just not eating.


read this:
it can explain better than i can.
http://health.yahoo.com/centers/fitness/20031140

[Nate Crisman]

do you really think you'll be able to keep up that 2,000 calorie diet your whole life? because as soon as your calories start creeping up so will your weight. thats why i'm giving you another alternative that is MUCH easier to maintain for you life. choosing foods wisely instead of just not eating.


read this:
it can explain better than i can.
http://health.yahoo.com/centers/fitness/20031140

yes, actually a 2000 calorie diet is not that bad, it's what a normal human should eat in a day. Im adjusting fine to it, and Im only craving food when I sit around with nothing to do. And as I ramp up my excercise as I get in better shape and can do more, I can also ramp up my calorie intake at the same rate. When I can sustain 500-600 calorie of exercise per day, I can eat 300 more calories a day and stay the same state I am now only burning 200 with walking.

Im not hammering on sugers either dude. The only suger Im eating is one piece of fruit in the morning, a tiny bit in yogurt, and one piece of fruit in the afternoon. 2grams of suger in every bottle of propel water.

The old school way will work, it just takes more effort. Richard simmons has been doing it for like 40 years! (sweatin to the oldies :lol: ) All I did was introduce excercise and cut back on the complete shit food (candy, pizza ect. Im just trying to eat normal foods instead of garbage foods. Trying to replace the high calorie/low volume foods with low cal/high volume stuff.

I am taking your advise on the breads and stuff. I'v been eating brown 30 min rice, whole wheat bread. no mayo, no butter.

Refuse to go nuts with eliminating any specific foods though, I could not stand to do the atkins thing. That's just not for me, I love my bread and suger too much.

example...I had a few waffles but instead of crappy syrup that's like 150cal/tbsp and all suger, I had peanut butter that's only 80cal/tbsp and has some other stuff that's probobly ok. Interesting taste, less cal.
Been trying to do that, just find a lower cal alternative to something that I normally would eat that is just as satisfying.

[gtluke]

yeah i never suggested atkins because i know its not for you. its a huge pain in the ass and its not for everyone.

the government came up with that 2,000 calorie thing. do you really trust that they know best? they completely fucked up the food pyramid, and pretty much caused the nation to get fat. if you look at a chart of obesity in america and the release of the food pyramid.... its kinda funny.
they fixed it now though, kinda. some of their levels seem kinda strange, like 3 cups of dairy. i dunno.. biologicly as you get older you really should stay away from milk. on its own, your body can't digest milk. you recieve enzymes from your mother from breasfeading that were given to her from her mother.... and so on. its not a real part of your body. its like a bacteria in your stomach. anyway you can lose it over time (lactose intolerant). if you drink too much milk at one time it will use up all your enzymes and they won't reproduce and you'll lose it. but it take more than a half gallon.
anyway that just strikes me as odd... 3 cups of milk.

anyway go to mypyramid.gov and type in your info. for me its a 3,000 calorie day

they are now stressing the whole grain thing too.

werd
-luke-

[iboostdoyou]

honestly what your doing nate is perfect. It's actually bad for you to eliminate foods from your diet, especially if you've been living with those type of minerals/fats for a while. My freshman year of college we had a dietician consult our entire team to help cut body fat numbers and still stay healthy. If you start cutting out sugar/carb/cal's you will actually get sick. The amount of intake of each of these things should be proportionate to your metablism and type of exercise. If you do short/fast/hard workouts, keep the protein high and carb low, the others really dont matter. If you go for long slow paced cardio workouts, you might want some more carbs and less proteins. Remember that weight training not only builds muscle, but that muscle constantly feeds off of your fat reserves to maintain themselves. Your not going for any insane weight drop here, so eliminating foods or content is unneccessary. These "atkins diets" and the such are so general its rediculous. Not eveyone's lifestyle or workout plans fit these programs exactly. Where you will see the greatest improvement is when you can match your diet to what your body needs to maintain itself and still have ample energy to complete your workouts.

[steveVR4]

One thing I've taken from this thread as an observer is what Luke said about over-processed "instant" foods vs. the real stuff. I used to eat cereal in the morning and be hungry by 10:30am. I started making oatmeal (not the instant crap) and I'm not hungry until lunch time. Granted, it needs a little syrup in it, and a bit of salt to make it palatable, but I've got all day to burn off the sugar.

[billios996]

Peanut butter + sugar free jelly on whole wheat for breakfast. Guaranteed to leave you satisfied until lunch break. Packed with protien, healthy fats, and fiber, plus not too heavy on calories.

Bill

[Nate Crisman]

Im still kicking my own ass every day on that treadmill. Today I got 2.9miles in 47 minutes. Treadmill says 370calories. Averaging like 3.7mph actually varing between 3mph "recoup" 4mph stead walk with 5mph springs for 1.5min every 5 minutes.

Im planning to get to a solid hour by this weekend and 500 calories. Im amazed at how much harder I can push on the treadmill after only a week.

[rotorocker]

wheres the doctors opinion here? :D

[derf hwt]

So Nate how is the weight loss coming 4 months later?

[CollegeDropout]

way to resurrect a 4 month old thread at 2am on a wednesday fred, lol

[derf hwt]

I was actually wondering how it was coming along. I've been off mine for a while and i've put on 10 lbs but I did it so I could do a cycle of creatine but now I want to cut 20lbs and was hoping to get some inspiration to get my fat ass back to doing cardio. Granted however i'm pulling yet another all-nighter in the lab writing papers(anyone want to hear about homosexuality in Whitmans Song of myself? or Satan as a overempathized victim in Paradise Lost?) and might be slightly delierious at this point

[Greg97GSX]

I was actually wondering how it was coming along.

there is a PM function

[Utah Joe]

Actually nate has become quite the excercise machine now. I forget how much weight he has lost, but his gut has shrunk dramaticly.

[Nate Crisman]

Fred, Thanks for asking!

Im down to 201.8lb as of this morning. I was up around 226lb or so as of Jan 15 when I had my "episode" so that is like 24-25lb lost in about 3.5 months. I lost alot fast, but I have been stuck around 202lb for the last month+.

The excercise is fun, now Im into bicycling. The treadmill was wrecking my back and knees doing 4miles a day, so now the treadmill is reserved for rainy days. Yesterday I rode 21miles on my bicycle in 1.5hr averaging 13mph. Went to PA along back roads with hills. I ride every day atleast 45minutes (8-10miles). Every other day I do a long ride 15-20miles. By the fall I want to be able to go on club tour rides 50 miles. Yes, Im turning into one of those spandex-wearing-road-bike-fags eventually.

I use a Polar heart rate monitor to gauge my workout and keep me on a correct pace. I can't belive how crappy I was excercising before I got that (heart rate all over the place). With carefull use of it and planning, I can burn 25% more calories in the same amount of time by not over exerting, then resting, then over exerting, then resting. I get up to 60-70% of max HR for fat burning "easy day" excersize, and Ill run steady 70-80% HR range for my heavier cardio days. Before I got it I would excersize for an hour and HR would be anywhere from 45% to 100%...not effective when it's jumping all over the place. Seems a steady continous workout is alot more effective.

With use of my heart moniter I tested a whole day of motocross riding..it burns about 800-1000 calories since the whole time im riding im 90-100% heart rate. Around total of 2 full hours of riding in a day and wicked strength excercize trying to hold onto a 50hp bucking 200lb rocket. Been riding mx atleast one day a week every week since I got the 450.

I need to get back to the DR and do all the blood work again. Want to see what my cholestoral is, how my BP is, and all that stuff. I wanted to wait till I was under 200 to go back to the DR since that was his "goal". guess Im close enough. My resting heart rate/pulse was up in the 95-98 beats per minute when I got the monitor. Now my resting pulse is down n the 82-85bpm range at rest. Im reading alot that lowering resting pulse is a good indicator of increased overal fitness.

oh..my family thinks Im nuts now. I get crap from them all the time becuase of all the artifical sweetners I take in instead of sugerd soda/juice. Other than that...everyone around me is supportive and happy for me.

It feels great to not look like a fat slob anymore. Im still not in great shape...and probobly have still 15lb of fat to burn out, but Im a far cry from Jan! Last year Id be lucky to ride my dirtbike for 5 minutes without being wasted tired and having to stop....now I can go a full 20min practice session without slowing down or pulling off.

[Nate Crisman]

I should post my before picure and take some after pictures to illistrate. Unfortunatly, I seem to have misplaced yet another digital camera. :roll:

[rotorocker]

you're my hero Nate. after this week when I move back home for the summer, I want to lose 15 lbs myself (beer gut). My parents had recommended not jogging as much because of the future impact on my knees and I have a great bike so I think I am going to start that. Keep up the good work!

[CollegeDropout]

yea nate i definitely noticed you were a lot smaller the other day. you've inspired me also, i joined a gym last week and have been going everyday after school, plus ive been riding my bike to the park and play basketball with some of my friends, then riding home. before last week i havent exercised since sophmore year when i ran track and cross country

[gtluke]

i hear you on the sweetners nate. i dont' know why some people have such a mission to discard shit like splenda and diet shit. i'd much rather die at 80 of cancer than at 40 of a heart attack. its one of two groups of people. those who have never had a weight problem, of those that are fatter than you and always have been.

[otofmyway6]

is dirtbiking really that good for excercise? I used to do a lot of downhill mountain biking and a lto fo the people who ride downhill train by riding motocross. I never thought of it as good for cardio though. Do you think its something I could get into without dying? haha. I dont really konw anyone personally whose into dirtbiking so i'd prolly just have a go at it by myself. Doesnt seem like a terribly expensive sport (i could be wrong). Enlighten me?
Andy

[twizzle]

rebuilds are cheap, 2 strokes are cheapppp, bikes are fun, dont start too big. i think i wanna get a bike again, it was too much fun to just stop.

[atc250r]

Yeah it is an INTENSE work out. You have no idea until you make a few "banzai" laps around a motocross track on one. Depending on your size/weight you may want to start on a 125cc 2 stroke or a 250cc 4 stroke. 4 stroke wins on the lack of maintenance but 2 stroke wins on response to mods and when maintenance time comes its cheaper. Don't forget to factor in the cost of a trailer or a pickup truck unless you've already got one.

John

[91tsiguy]

4 strokes also win in the "when something goes wrong, shit definitely hits the fan" catagory. :twisted:

(Yes, another broken valve story for me)

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h209/91TSiGuy/broken%20crf%20motor/camerapics5_2_06054_500w.jpg
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h209/91TSiGuy/broken%20crf%20motor/camerapics5_2_06052_500w.jpg
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h209/91TSiGuy/broken%20crf%20motor/camerapics5_2_06051_500w.jpg

Start off with a 2 stroke and learn to ride agressive :wink:

[NJGSX96]

If you guys want a workout, I still have my patio to build. Lots of quary process to shovel and carry and over 2000 pavers to carry and install. Working on the wall alone this past week I lost 3 pounds and dropped 2% body fat according to my nifty scale. Moved 7 tons of 3/4" gravel, 40 cap stones at 42 lbs each and 103 wall blocks at 85 lbs each.

Regardless, Nate is a changed man. New attitude, new look. Great job, Nate!

[antlip]

If you guys want a workout, I still have my patio to build. Lots of quary process to shovel and carry and over 2000 pavers to carry and install. Working on the wall alone this past week I lost 3 pounds and dropped 2% body fat according to my nifty scale. Moved 7 tons of 3/4" gravel, 40 cap stones at 42 lbs each and 103 wall blocks at 85 lbs each.

Regardless, Nate is a changed man. New attitude, new look. Great job, Nate!


sounds like my monday last week. we poured 28 yards of concrete. me and 1 other guy used the motorized wheel barrel, but it was the old fasion one that you had to steer and not ride on. then we had to rake it out. the following day we raked out 20 tons of top soil to have the yard pitch right. then the next day we put down 7 pallets of sod.
not to mention the friday before that we frame out the patio and shed area.
yard work is the way to go when you want a good work out and to loose weight

[bergen.DSM]

man nate dont worry about it. sorry im coming in for a late arrival. but im in florida and i tell everybody that have DSM's EVO, etc.. i tell them to call u or check out ur site. u have a very good name down here and i hope ur buinsness continues to grow. so please dont leave us.

[Nate Crisman]

is dirtbiking really that good for excercise? I used to do a lot of downhill mountain biking and a lto fo the people who ride downhill train by riding motocross. I never thought of it as good for cardio though. Do you think its something I could get into without dying? haha. I dont really konw anyone personally whose into dirtbiking so i'd prolly just have a go at it by myself. Doesnt seem like a terribly expensive sport (i could be wrong). Enlighten me?
Andy

Pro motocross riders are on the same fitness level as pro bicyclists, soccer players, marathon runners. Untill you "try" to make it around a motocross track for yourself, you have no concept of how much muscle and energy it takes just to keep the bike pointed in the right direction. The track gets giant bumps,ruts and holes in it and there is really where the excersize is. You stand up/ sit down generally 20-30 times per lap. Every jump you have to obsorb with your legs/back/arms. Every time you open the throttle it's like doing a pullup using your arms to keep you on the bike. with 50+whp on a 450 you get a good arm workout just hanging on when you accellerate hard.

As far as cardio...well...when Im riding the bike in 20 minute sessions, I regularly spend the entire time at 90-100% heart rate. If I push hard, I will go well past my recomended max heart rate of 194bpm, Iv actually seen 220bpm while in a race with a guy who was a little faster than me that I was trying my hardest to stay ahead of. thought I was going to black out during that.

New 06 MX bikes go for about :
$6500 for a 450 4 stroke
$5500 250 2 stroke
$5900 250 4 stroke
$4900 125 2 stroke

Figure atleast $1200 in gear (helmet, boots, goggles, gloves, jersey, pants, roost pads, gas cans, chemicals, filters, tie downs)

Most new bikes need about $400 worth of parts right away since they come with shitty chains, tires, sprockets, bars.

used bikes depriciate FAST so you can pick up 2 year old bikes for less than half a new one. I don't recomend getting anything older than 2002-2003 as maintenance on mx bikes is rare, and your ususally buying someone elses abused pile of shit (like buying a dsm)...expect to fix/replace everything.

Riding costs about $40 per day since there is nowhere in NJ to ride for free. All the sandpits, railroad tracks, and fields are closed. It's too risky to lose your drivers liscense and $6000 bike if you get caught...which is pretty easy because the cops are smart enough to just go wait by your truck since they can't catch you on your bike.

Etown, Atco are the riding spots in NJ. PA and NY all have alot of tracks within 2 hours. I spend more in truck gasoline than I do in riding cost/bike payment per day of riding sadly.

MX is not cheap...it's alot cheaper than running a 9-10-11 second dsm every weekend. But you can buy a hell of a lot of bicycles, soccer balls, and running shoes with just the cost of the bike.

[otofmyway6]

oh lame...too much for me then...oh well maybe when im settled after school or something

[Nate Crisman]

oh lame...too much for me then...oh well maybe when im settled after school or something

The one nice thing about dirtbikes..is they are relativly simple and cheap to fix maintain. If you can deal with fixing shit all the time...you can find 1998-2001 bikes for under $2000 that will performe 99% as good as a new one. Just have to be ready to deal with replacing stupid stuff all the time (suspension bearings, engine seals, brake pads, cables, controls..that kind of stuff). If you ebay hunt..you can get mx riding gear for like 1/3 the cost, just have to be willing to not have the matching stuff or look like James Stewart.

the cost of actually riding is the unavoidable part. $40 entry fee per day and the gasoline cost of transporting yourself and bike to the racetrack.

Also lost work and heath care cost. One of our riding buddies made a mistake on saturday. He didn't even fall or crash, just landed wrong on a jump and touched hit foot on the ground. Utah and I went to visit him yesterday. Pins in his leg, broke both lower leg bones. Surgery on monday to put titanium rods in there permanantly. He won't walk for 20 weeks. Ended his season or riding/racing pretty quick. Everyone gets hurt sometime when riding, it's enevitable. Just pray when your time comes to take a dirt nap that it's just some wicked cuts and bruises and a fractured ego.

[atc250r]

4 strokes also win in the "when something goes wrong, shit definitely hits the fan" catagory. :twisted:

(Yes, another broken valve story for me)

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h209/91TSiGuy/broken%20crf%20motor/camerapics5_2_06054_500w.jpg


You've got a Honda, right? I don't know WTF is up with the valves on them but that seems to be a common failure.

John

[Nate Crisman]

4 strokes also win in the "when something goes wrong, shit definitely hits the fan" catagory. :twisted:

(Yes, another broken valve story for me)

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h209/91TSiGuy/broken%20crf%20motor/camerapics5_2_06054_500w.jpg


You've got a Honda, right? I don't know WTF is up with the valves on them but that seems to be a common failure.

John

Brent's CRF450 already wasted the stock valves years ago. Those were kibblewhite stainless valves that are supposed to be "the big upgrade" to end the CRF valve issues.

[twizzle]

damn nate, you make riding seem harder than it is. back in the day when i was like 14 or 15, i had an 85 expert and i think it took like a good 2 hours of riding to get tired. i wonder how different it will be a few years later on a bigger bike. gear is not that expensive, the helmet and boots are the major of the costs, but you can always get this shit alot cheaper online. I never owned a used bike, so idk maintence on them, but I did blow up my piston once and it took like 100$ and 30 mins to rebuild. Riding costs also depend on where you live. Although Nate should have the least of worries living in the sticks, I live in pretty rural area and I can get to atleast 10miles of trails and 3 sandpits with a little risky ride down the road for maybe 5 mins. I'll never go to an illegal spot with a truck or trailer, thats just retarded. Hell, I even used to walk my dirtbike (it looks like i was walking it, hehe) on main roads, and never have gotten bothered by a cop, and this is in a town where cops give tickets for stock exhausts and unclear plates!

[gtluke]

is that the intake or exhaust valve brent? look intake from here.

[Nate Crisman]

damn nate, you make riding seem harder than it is. back in the day when i was like 14 or 15, i had an 85 expert and i think it took like a good 2 hours of riding to get tired. i wonder how different it will be a few years later on a bigger bike. gear is not that expensive, the helmet and boots are the major of the costs, but you can always get this shit alot cheaper online. I never owned a used bike, so idk maintence on them, but I did blow up my piston once and it took like 100$ and 30 mins to rebuild. Riding costs also depend on where you live. Although Nate should have the least of worries living in the sticks, I live in pretty rural area and I can get to atleast 10miles of trails and 3 sandpits with a little risky ride down the road for maybe 5 mins. I'll never go to an illegal spot with a truck or trailer, thats just retarded. Hell, I even used to walk my dirtbike (it looks like i was walking it, hehe) on main roads, and never have gotten bothered by a cop, and this is in a town where cops give tickets for stock exhausts and unclear plates!

Riding in sandpits and woods is completely different that running laps around Etown's motocross track in a competative mannor. Professional riders are completely wasted in a 30 minute race. Novice racers like me and Utah go for 4 laps-8minutes in a real 40 rider race. Im getting up to fitness of riding 15-20 mile bicycle per day...and I can barely barely walk after a 8 minute moto at full speed. The differance is racing vs riding.

[91tsiguy]

is that the intake or exhaust valve brent? look intake from here.
Yup, intake. For some reason when a piston can't complete it's upward stroke due to a valve jamming in the way, a rod breaks and goes through the cases. Huh..go fish. :?

I had quite a bit of nicking up of the upper valve spring retainer where the shims actually sit in. It looked like they were popping out of their seat and getting stuck under the intake bucket crooked (eventually causing the retainer to jam up and pop out / break a keeper) although I set the lash to what the cam card recommended. The bike would start up and idle and run like normal other than a tapping noise from the head. Ah well, it's being parted out now.

Oh yeah, back to Nate's thread. Dirtbike riding, when done right, is a crazy workout. 8)

[Mick]

Nate could you get me a quote on two of these:
GT35R
To4S with anti surge ports
T4 inlet 3" discharge .63A/R
ball bearing

This is what I'm building:
http://www.angelfire.com/planet/a4

If not, let me know.
Mick - sorry to post here


"looks like I can get GT35R's with these options:
Comp housing either To4E 3" inlet/2" outlet or To4S 4" inlet/2.5" outlet. The S cover is available with the anit-surge ports. On a 2.0DSM motor, we have to use the surge ported cover, and even then...it still compressor surges on spoolup. not sure of surge issues with your setup, as it's 100% displacement/engine flow dependant.

As for turbine housing: we can do either T3 inlet flange/4bolt 2.5" ID discharge or T4 inlet flange/4bolt 3" ID discharge. The A/R ratios available are .48, .63, .82, 1.02 for the T3 turbine housing
A/R ratios available for T4 are the same as T3 other than .48 is not good.

The oil inlet is 7/16" inverted flare (I have fittings for this in stock to mate to -4 feed lines)
oil outlet I have flanges for (same shape/size/bolt pattern as DSM oil flanges...weird huh!) got flanges for either 3/8 pipe thread female or -10 AN CNC machined fncy flanges.
water fittings are 12mm 1.25 (same as DSM water lines..weird again!) We can use 2g dsm water lines as "universal install parts" since they are just banjo on one end and rubber hose on the other and can be bent quite a bit."

[Mick]

Nate, just got a call from Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords Magazine. (We won the Houston True Street Event overall fastest, and bracket racing the following day). I listed DSMotorsports for the turbo so look for your company to be mentioned in MM&FF Magazine in the next few months when they cover the Houston '06 FFW event. :D

[gtluke]

lol thats awesome mick. hopefully nate will get back to you with pricing some time this decade for being so nice :)

[Utah Joe]

Nate, just got a call from Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords Magazine. (We won the Houston True Street Event overall fastest, and bracket racing the following day). I listed DSMotorsports for the turbo so look for your company to be mentioned in MM&FF Magazine in the next few months when they cover the Houston '06 FFW event. :D

awesome mick, what kind of times is the car running these days?

[Nate Crisman]

Nate, just got a call from Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords Magazine. (We won the Houston True Street Event overall fastest, and bracket racing the following day). I listed DSMotorsports for the turbo so look for your company to be mentioned in MM&FF Magazine in the next few months when they cover the Houston '06 FFW event. :D

Thy will be done, at DSMotorsport, as it is in Texas.

I got a new updated Precision price list in the mail last week, so Ill just look all the shit up myself.

Quote due this afternoon.


Congrats on the win! What was the times?

[Mick]

Only ran a 10.49 avg. There were two 9 sec cars. One broke, and the other refused to wear his safety gloves and neckroll, so he got disqualified. Go figure - that guy had it wrapped up in the bag. Not my best times, but I'm only legal for 10's anyway so I turned the boost down to 13 - 15 psi. Just went to have a lot of fun and do good smoky burnouts for the crowd, friends and family!!!! The winning part was unexpected.
http://www.funfordevents.com/index.php? ... TrueStreet (http://www.funfordevents.com/index.php?submenu=Results&src=gendocs&link=Results_Houston_TrueStreet)

The bracket race winning was really unexpected. My wife mentioned that I'll redlight and we'll be leaving soon - something to that effect. :) I guess having 3 1/2 hours of sleep in two nights makes it so nothing get to you and you stay concentrated on the tree the whole time.
http://www.funfordevents.com/index.php? ... 2383f66e11 (http://www.funfordevents.com/index.php?submenu=Results&src=gendocs&link=Results_Houston&PHPSESSID=d69e3796ce07378962cc8c2383f66e11)

Nate - sounds like your diet/exercise program is working great. I'm glad you priortized your health. Your family needs you the most. I don't mind waiting for a quote. We'll eventually get it together. The actual build isn't until this fall, but, I'd like to have all the parts ready to go for whan I take the car down, so I'm starting early. I still need to design another turbo kit, that's why I'm ordering the turbos, wastegate(s), and BOV so early.

[Mick]

Can you get a GT35R? I heard they are backordered?

[Mick]

Nate, change that ungency thing. Money is getting tight. Need to get the turbos while the funds are sitting here.